Kate and Leopold Part 2
Look twice before stepping into that elevator with Rachel Granda-Gluski, Ben Silverio, and Ansel Burch. They’re pop culture observers/ zany podcasters/ excellent friends who know a bustle from a butt in any time period.
now that we’ve given you reasons to drink and an excuse, join us ( a couple of beers in) as we discuss the movie, give you a review and only get a little bit in the weeds about historical accuracy.
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Ansel Burch is @Indecisionist on Twitter and @TheIndecisionist on IG.
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Episode Transcript
Ben Silverio 0:04
Hey, I'm Ben Silverio
Rachel Granda-Gluski 0:06
and I'm Rachel Granda-Gluski
Ansel Burch 0:07
I'm Ansel Burch and it's time to party. This month's episodes on Kate and Leopold were recorded on April 30 2023. We are not doctors, we don't give medical advice. Please drink responsibly.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 0:22
That's not the name of the song
Ansel Burch 0:30
The jazzy remix titled Why every time our new themes on season four,
Ben Silverio 0:36
you get right on producing that
Ansel Burch 0:40
it's in the public domain, I can do that. Yeah,
Ben Silverio 0:43
party people. Welcome back to the podcast. Thank you for tuning in to time to party. Where somehow we have time to act like idiots. Yeah. Every month for your entertainment. We hope you like it. We're adults. We are for some reason legally.
Ansel Burch 1:00
Are we in most states in most states?
Ben Silverio 1:04
Yes. We are joined by an amazing guest this month. Ansel. It's not me. But you know this guest very well.
Ansel Burch 1:16
You know who does? Even better? She does? A Rachel tell us about yourself.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 1:21
My name is Rachel and I'm here to talk about the movie we watched.
Ansel Burch 1:25
Nailed it first. See, I had everything. What movie was that? Ben?
Ben Silverio 1:32
Yes. This month we're talking about Kate and Leopold. The I was gonna call it seminal. 2001 You liked article ROM? Between seminal and classic and I don't think this is either of those. That's why I was hesitant
Ansel Burch 1:49
about both of your adjectives. They're not they didn't work this time. But definitely film.
Ben Silverio 1:56
This is a movie can confirm. Fun fact released on Christmas Day. 2001 really flex Yeah, right. God Remember when Miramax would just do mostly rom coms and stuff I do. Like they were they were the deal. Yeah. Serendipity. Almost everything would Meg Ryan. Yeah.
Ansel Burch 2:19
They just bought Meg Ryan for a few years.
Ben Silverio 2:23
There was the last carryover from the old studio system.
Ansel Burch 2:28
The Sandra came into the office. She was like I would really just love a 10 year contract. Could you still have those kicking around? Like we got one.
Ben Silverio 2:38
This is the last one. You're in luck.
Ansel Burch 2:42
She did this we can only do five year contracts for Hugh Grant. So you have to you have to see if you can convince him to come back.
Ben Silverio 2:53
If you don't know about Kate and Leopold, our good friends at Rotten Tomatoes will enlighten you. Kate Mackay is a modern day executive a 21st century a woman driven to succeed in the corporate world. Leopold the third Duke of Albany is a charming gent and Bachelor of the late 1800s. With career and social expectations looming. Each has grown cynical about the very notion of falling in love. But when a rip in the fabric of time thrusts Leopold into the present day New York, the potential for an old fashioned Modern Romance ignites fuck who wrote this?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 3:35
Someone who didn't get paid enough? Yeah, I mean, that's possibly not watched the movie
Ben Silverio 3:39
that's accurate. They saw the trailer and they're like, Yeah, this I got this. Yeah, um, first thing I'd like to say is he's
Rachel Granda-Gluski 3:47
not thrust old fashioned,
Ansel Burch 3:48
modern, very good.
Ben Silverio 3:52
First thing I'd like to point out that this movie was directed by James Mangold. You may recognize him as the director of the Wolverine. Oh, really? Yes. So to me,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 4:08
which Wolverine the bad origin story or
Ben Silverio 4:12
No, no, that's excellent origins. Okay, though. Wolverines mixed. Yes, no, that was Gavin Hood. And he deserves every shame that comes with the Wolverine was the one in Japan. Oh, oh, just
Ansel Burch 4:31
mildly.
Ben Silverio 4:32
Yeah, I wouldn't go any further than mildly I thought it was enjoyable. Like it wasn't a great movie, but there was a lot of good action and Hugh Jackman is always good as Wolverine I would say the same
Ansel Burch 4:44
for X Men Origins Wolverine like if you just like, shut off your brain.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 4:51
Again on that one,
Ansel Burch 4:52
he jumps out what does he does he crash the helicopter with the motorbike in that one?
Ben Silverio 5:00
Yes, that wasn't the origin. Yeah.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 5:02
But speaking of who else is in this movie lead leave shrine.
Ben Silverio 5:05
Exactly. I was just gonna go there. Sabretooth, and Wolverine are both in this movie, but also mangled. Did Logan so
Ansel Burch 5:18
he's a real otter.
Ben Silverio 5:19
Exactly only when it comes to Hugh Jackman. Yeah. His next movie, which I'm very excited for, but a lot of people aren't including one now his current in the present day project. Yes. Indiana Jones on the dial of destiny. Oh,
Ansel Burch 5:36
I'm apprehensive about Doug cautiously optimistic.
Ben Silverio 5:39
So where I am about it work is very not into it.
Ansel Burch 5:44
He's been burned too many times.
Ben Silverio 5:46
That's that's that's his MO. But James Mangold knows Hugh Jackman very well today. But back then this was their first collaboration I believe. I could be wrong, but you know. I'm pretty sure yes. This was the first one and then it was the Wolverine Logan greatest showmen. So he did
Ansel Burch 6:17
great showmen as well.
Ben Silverio 6:18
He did. My thing about the greatest show. I love pays compile. I think the music is very good. If it wasn't about PT Barnum. It would have been way more effective so
Rachel Granda-Gluski 6:34
we are the same person because I had the same complaint I'm like if you had made it about Joe Schmo circus guy Yep. It I would have not had any issues with it my sole issues all I have two issues. My one issue is that
Ben Silverio 6:49
is one of your issues that you don't see as iPhones but no.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 6:54
My one issue is that Barnum was a horrible person and they really does glorify he made everything up in my second issue. Is that like several years pass in that movie? His children don't age.
Ben Silverio 7:05
Yeah. No, that's true.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 7:09
I don't know why. I remember that. So clearly being like, Why didn't his kid age like they went to Europe and back? It's been like a few years. Why didn't his kids age? Yeah, that's
Ben Silverio 7:19
a good point. I didn't make
Rachel Granda-Gluski 7:21
how it bothers me that the first season of Glee takes place in Ohio and doesn't have seasons. They add seasons. The later seasons of the show they put in like seasons for it for the weather. Well, you realize first
Ansel Burch 7:37
see realized none of them had ever been to Ohio, so they didn't really I don't blame them. Yeah, no, don't go to Ohio. It's terrible. Record. Yeah, I mean, I grew up there. It's a very important distinction. And why
Ben Silverio 7:50
why?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 7:53
And I've been born and bred to hate.
Ansel Burch 7:56
That's very reasonable. Do you know the official rock song of Ohio? Cleveland rocks? No, no, that was actually kind of makes sense. It's hang on sloopy that's a real song
Ben Silverio 8:10
though. I know. That's but that's the official bio the official rock song of Ohio. What's the official country song of Ohio? You know,
Ansel Burch 8:19
I don't think we have one which is weird because you think I
Rachel Granda-Gluski 8:22
only know the like state tree and state bird of Michigan. What are they? The state bird is the Robin. Okay, so you don't remember
Ansel Burch 8:31
it's not a car tree is? It might be that
Ben Silverio 8:34
so is it is a decrease in or to drain. Gary Kelly
Rachel Granda-Gluski 8:44
what's the
Ben Silverio 8:46
what's the Damien when Jason Todd? Yes. Jason Todd.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 8:50
Very good. My husband is obsessed with redheads so I better work
Ansel Burch 9:00
that's what did it not remembering Jason Todd on a podcast on time?
Ben Silverio 9:04
That he's not gonna listen to you know,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 9:06
he might. You might Yeah, the glorious human has started listening to the Smarty books I read on audiobooks. Oh, to get notes from
Ansel Burch 9:17
that's good. There we go.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 9:20
I think he's just discovered some of them fucked up should I read instead? Yeah, I'm gonna read what she finds hot. What? I started to tell him like oh no, some of these I don't read. Please don't get ideas from that one.
Ben Silverio 9:40
And then somehow the labels are switched and forest begins.
Ansel Burch 9:43
Yeah, there we go. Moo ha. Too many doors. What do you think about this movie?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 9:53
Um, I remember really liking this movie when I first saw it. Probably in college. So that would have been probably washed this like 2006 2007 So you know a little while after it's been released it ah, aged. Sure. Not great.
Ansel Burch 10:14
Fine milk,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 10:15
maybe didn't wear enough sunscreen? Um, yeah, there were some choices made that definitely not just the technology. Sure
Ben Silverio 10:25
definitely date it was one of the most problematic things other than
Rachel Granda-Gluski 10:29
JJ the walking HR nightmare. Kids to the back of her head at the office. Yep.
Ben Silverio 10:38
And if Leopold had his sword, it would have gone right through Bradley, what friend's head
Rachel Granda-Gluski 10:45
and that would have also been an HR nightmare. Yes. Um, he doesn't work there. It's fine. Yeah, no, I'm also apparently like nobody in New York has screens on there. Nobody in movies ever has screens on their windows because these don't exist. They just they go in and out of each other's Windows constantly.
Ben Silverio 11:07
Yeah, I don't I don't think any of my friends have had screens in their windows just bars.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 11:16
What facility are you visiting in? Brooklyn New York thing because here in Chicago I've screened the whole thing.
Ansel Burch 11:27
I mean, the hotel we stayed in when we were in New York my one experience with with Brooklyn windows for sure did not have screen.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 11:35
gasp it must just be in New York.
Ben Silverio 11:37
Maybe as we constantly say on this podcast, New York suck,
Ansel Burch 11:40
sir. Just like they're already bugs in here. Whatever. Yeah. Yeah.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 11:46
Um, yeah, no, I definitely JJ was just so quintessentially the man. Like the boss man of the time period. He was such a trope. But I think the main reason that this movie didn't age well is it's another one of those there was that such a trend in like those 90s in like early 2000s movies were like, you have these career women who are like very successful and good at their jobs, but somehow still miserable just because they don't have love in their life. And
Ben Silverio 12:22
like in working girl,
Ansel Burch 12:24
how would you compare it to 13 going on 30 Another movie we watched recently.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 12:29
I'm going to tell you something really shocking. You've never seen it. I've never seen it. Wow. That's not that show. I know. I'm ruining my romance girl cred. But I've I've never seen that movie, I think because I found there was like when that movie came out. For some reason, I found Jennifer Gardner really annoying, really. And at this point, I'm afraid to go watch it because I'm worried it'll be one of those movies that like everyone has so much nostalgia for but if I tried to watch it now, I would just be like, What the fuck?
Ansel Burch 12:55
If the demographics from our podcast episode about it, tell us anything. You're probably okay.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 13:00
Okay, so it did age pretty well. Yeah.
Ben Silverio 13:04
most part they held up. Yeah, there were there were some bits but like, nobody eats Razzles anymore.
Ansel Burch 13:09
That was I mean, so man. I remember hearing
Ben Silverio 13:13
the candy and the gum.
Ansel Burch 13:16
I mean, it's you get to see the ruffles. So
Ben Silverio 13:18
that's true. That's good little baby ruffles.
Ansel Burch 13:22
It's got like an arthouse feel to it. Which is really interesting.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 13:28
Yeah, I don't remember why I never saw it at the time. But then it blew up. And it became like one of the things that everyone was like the hype was so strong that I was scared to watch it.
Ben Silverio 13:41
I'm picking up a pattern here.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 13:44
I tend to watch things like years after they come out. I don't know why I'm not good at keeping up with like current media, which is why this show is
Ansel Burch 13:53
we've got some good news for ya.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 13:57
Taking it back to 2001 is just my speed.
Ben Silverio 14:00
So I would like to point out that the day that this movie starts was April 28 1876. Okay, I completely forgot about what day it was. So when did I do my research for this?
And I was just like, No fucking way.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 14:28
Nice, weird year for them to pick the 1876 is that they harp on that specific year so much. And it led to so many historical inaccuracies
Ben Silverio 14:42
it did. But I think the one thing that they they wanted was to make sure that the elevator wasn't like popularized by them. So that some things lined up. Of course, there were other things that didn't line up But I wanted to go back to the very beginning of the movie, where it just starts out with a series of dick jokes.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 15:07
By a dude who was already dead,
Ben Silverio 15:10
the greatest erection on the planet just I don't know, it was just so I mean, juvenile is being nice, right?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 15:25
It was a weird choice to start a movie,
Ben Silverio 15:28
right? Especially a rom com,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 15:30
especially a rom com that is definitely geared towards like an older audience. Yes. Like this romcom was really not designed for like, college aged 20 year olds like it was well, I mean, it was but it also like, all of the characters in it are like 30 something Yeah. 30s 30s 40s something. So it was definitely a weird choice for a movie that is otherwise fairly mature. Yeah, I agree.
Ben Silverio 15:58
Um, and it just it was rapid fire. It kept go. That that was a very long dick joke. Yeah. Oh, God. So I may have missed it. No, no, no, I
Ansel Burch 16:14
was. Apparently, not much happened in in that year. Graham Bell got his patent for the telephone.
Ben Silverio 16:29
And Leopold does mention Bell's telephone. In the movie, the Royal
Ansel Burch 16:34
titles Act was passed.
Ben Silverio 16:38
Oh, I also wrote down on my notes that the The screenplay was written by Steve Rogers. I thought that was amazing. That's what cap
Ansel Burch 16:45
was when he travelled back in time, and decided not to do anything anymore. Now here we go.
Ben Silverio 16:54
So when I was reading about this movie, they were talking about some bits that were censored, because there were references suggesting that Kate is Stuart's great, great grandmother. Oh,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 17:10
oh, yeah, no, I did. I read about that, too, where like, Stuart is a descendant of Leopold. And that's why he's researching him and why he decides to go back in time to that era.
Ben Silverio 17:22
Yes, Stuart is the great great grandson of Leopold, apparently, but I don't remember that being in the movie.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 17:30
Yeah, no, they cut it out, like so the the bits
Ben Silverio 17:33
that I read that were cut out were just the ones like more explicitly pointing out the connection. But I'm guessing there may have been a reference left in, but I don't remember. Yeah, I
Rachel Granda-Gluski 17:45
didn't catch it. Apparently, there's a director's cut of this movie where some of it is included. Interesting.
Ben Silverio 17:52
But like, why?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 17:55
No, I think I feel like the focus group that was like, oh, maybe not. That was Domino's with it. Yeah, there was very, they were very ahead of their time. Um, you know, Game of Thrones ancestor wasn't cool yet.
Ansel Burch 18:14
Maybe the writer was like, It's been so many generations. That's fine.
Ben Silverio 18:19
I mean, this is this isn't New York. Not not.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 18:23
Speaking of Steve Rogers.
Ben Silverio 18:26
Okay. All right. Hold on a minute. Ah.
Ansel Burch 18:35
That's only one generation.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 18:38
They are, I think, related by marriage. Yeah, that's
Ben Silverio 18:41
the thing.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 18:43
Still gross, though.
Ben Silverio 18:46
It's not like
Rachel Granda-Gluski 18:48
he's gonna meet her as a kid.
Ansel Burch 18:50
Yep.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 18:52
Yeah, she probably met him as a kid and then sees him as an adult. He's like, You look like my green card. Hey.
Ben Silverio 19:02
Great Uncle issues. That's a new one. That is a new one. But you know, Sharon Carter. has issues. Yeah. Look where she is now.
Ansel Burch 19:13
Maybe that's why and that's the he'll turn.
Ben Silverio 19:17
That's why the MCU Sharon Carter is so messed up because?
Ansel Burch 19:20
Well, because when she first met him, it wasn't weird. Then he went back in time. Now we're in an alternate timeline.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 19:27
Now Ashley as it's weird. Does she know what's weird? I think she knows it's weird. I feel like didn't she make a comment in Falcon and Winter Soldier? Isn't there some kind of?
Ben Silverio 19:38
She definitely gives him a look during the funeral in Civil War because she's giving the eulogy at the funeral, and Sam was just like, and Steve looks up and he's like, What Yep. All
Rachel Granda-Gluski 20:00
right. Something I wrote down was I found the hole when he's like fighting with his dad in the early scenes and he's like, the royalty is dead. I find that really funny. As we're about to crown a new king of England.
Ben Silverio 20:14
Oh, that was his uncle. Because his parents, okay,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 20:17
uncle. Yeah, yeah, no, you're correct. That's more uncle. Faction more uncle stuff. Um, but yeah, he'll tell his uncle that the royalty is dead. And I was like, Yeah, joke's on you. It's totally. Um,
Ansel Burch 20:31
we keep thinking it's not gonna make it.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 20:33
I was very impressed that they had the correct dresses. Oh, yeah. Any sex? Yeah.
Ben Silverio 20:39
What characteristics made them accurate? Okay,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 20:42
so, in the late 1870s, the natural form dress became popular. I'm gonna bore the shit out of people with this. Basically, they were like no more bustles. And these very like slim, fitted skirts with these very elaborate trains were very popular. But yeah, they were suddenly into butts. And like, really, like fitted and they were hard to walk in their stupid style. I freaking hate them. They only and they were only popular for like four years. And then they were like, nope, back to the bustle. We hate these. I can hide a chair under my skirt this way. This is better. Um, and so they got rid of like that they went out of fashion pretty quick. But everybody is wearing a correct natural form dress, which is normally I think I was expecting a lot of these kind of older, like historical romances, you tend to get a lot of like, kind of modern influence on the costumes. Either that or you'll have the instances where they like rated a costume shops or pieces. And you have this weird like, mishmash of eras. And so I was actually really impressed that like the consistency amongst the women's dresses was actually How
Ben Silverio 22:01
about Leopold's clothes were they actually mean
Rachel Granda-Gluski 22:05
the SU Tosh on his jacket was a little over the top I think but that wasn't just because he was rich. It might have been I don't think the SU TASH was even for royalty, like super popular at the time. I think he would have just been wearing a typical like dinner jacket. I don't think he would have been wearing like a full military estatales coat. What about the I think they wanted to drill that home for the modern stuff. So they took a little liberty with him.
Ben Silverio 22:33
What about the butter commercial costume?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 22:36
That was actually probably more historically, really interestingly, in terms of the suit he was wearing, because it's a little it was a little less like gaudy. And over the top.
Ben Silverio 22:45
Well also he was where he was dressed for a ball when he goes through
Rachel Granda-Gluski 22:51
worn down. Yeah, like what he's wearing was a little bit more, like early. Maybe like early 1810s 1820s at the earliest. Because you really get by the 1870s Your cute men are wearing suits that are very, very similar to what you're wearing now. The man suit has really not changed that much in like the last 150 years. We're just playing with lapels now. Yeah, once you got out of like the the regency era very high waisted trouser and like short waist coats. Pretty much the suit hasn't changed and he's wearing almost a more like 1820s style pants and not his tie, but his waist coat and everything and so you
Ben Silverio 23:42
know what, it's a little over the top. You know what male fashion trend that I hate? Which is obvious if I know this is an audio medium, but if any listeners have ever seen me I hate the slim fit bullshit. Oh, yeah. Yeah, right. Like no one is the points.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 24:01
But men's Regency clothes, those high waisted trousers look good. It's true.
Ben Silverio 24:06
It's true. How many of those do you own so
Ansel Burch 24:10
like eight They
Rachel Granda-Gluski 24:12
just make you look real. They do a lot for like, lengthening the whole line of your body so you look taller. You look slimmer you look very like lean. Interesting. They're they they do a good optical illusion men's. I don't know why they went to suits and especially not the fucking 20s Zoot Suit disaster. You don't even talk about this. But like suit suit, good music bad fashion.
Ansel Burch 24:39
There was a real thing that
Ben Silverio 24:40
I know it was a real
Rachel Granda-Gluski 24:41
tragedy. Yeah. Weird thing to write a song about it was kind of horrible.
Ansel Burch 24:45
really fucked up. CHERRY POP and daddy. Well, isn't
Ben Silverio 24:49
the song talking about the tragedy like it's just a catchy song that shouldn't have as a beat of
Ansel Burch 24:56
I need a downtempo rendition of Zoot Suit riot. liturgy.
Ben Silverio 25:01
Have you heard the uptempo version of the Empire theme from Star Wars?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 25:08
I mean, I've heard a few. Yeah, the Imperial March done in a major key. Oh, I have heard so
Ansel Burch 25:12
good. I've also heard it done in a major key on rubber duckies which are not rubber duckies rubber chickens. Squeaky squeaky rubber chicken. Oh, baby. It's hilarious.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 25:26
Um, that was on the shortlist of weird songs to walk down the aisle to for our wedding is Imperial March Animatrix. I remember how did it get vetoed? Because Kate really wanted to send you all down to Rainbow Road and not until we got to the aisle did we realize that there's no tempo to rainbow roll? We just said show on your way. Yep. Good luck watching them try to pace themselves down the aisle at my wedding to Rainbow Road which has absolutely no like distinct tempo beat was so funny.
Ben Silverio 25:54
Rainbow Road as in
Ansel Burch 25:56
we Mario Kart
Rachel Granda-Gluski 25:59
Rainbow Road. We did an orchestral version of it but there's still really no like churn beat to that music. And watching them all try to like pace their way down the aisle. Have any type of beat to go off but
Ben Silverio 26:12
when you said Rainbow Road like it started playing in my head, and I'm just like, No, no, I'm talking about
Rachel Granda-Gluski 26:17
that. For my wedding. We used all like video game music. I walked down the aisle to the turret opera from Portal to cool. Um, we walked out to what the Geils theme from Chrono Trigger, I think yes, yeah. Um, yeah, we had a lot of a lot of video game music that's brought up being our theme. So that's really cool. So we did, but anyway,
Ben Silverio 26:46
um, I'd like to talk about the romantic aspect of this historical romantic comedy. Leopold tells Charlie Kate's brother at one point, no one wants to be romanced by a buffoon. I love that. And I'm just like, I like that quote. And it's good advice. But then I'm just like, Oh, is that what I'm doing wrong?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 27:12
As someone married to Buffett, absolutely. Not even to be mad for calling me No, no, he would agree. I would slightly disagree. But I kind of get it. Um, it's
Ansel Burch 27:31
an interesting take for a Miramax movie, I'll say
Rachel Granda-Gluski 27:33
yeah, it's an interesting pay for me recipe. Um, one thing I find interesting about the romance in this movie, though, is I feel like they kind of didn't like Leopold comes from the past. But they used a very modern I, dia of what, like historical romance was on him, didn't really suit his character at all, when you thought about it, like the things we know about him are that he was raised in the aristocracy. And he is an inventor, yet apparently also have the free time to like, be sitting around reading Byron and learning how to cook. So like, he still has very, it's a very modern idea of what a dream man is the guy who's thoughtful and eloquent and buys you flowers and cuts you dinner and kind of that reverse kind of the House Husband thing, but isn't actually realistic for a man from that time period to behave like that. And I found that to be pretty interesting because the type of man he was was actually an incredibly modern concepts.
Ben Silverio 28:53
Yeah, that's a that's a really good point. What advice do you think Leopold would have given Charlie if this was historically accurate?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 29:03
I mean, I think for Leo, someone in Leopold's position he would have even though he hated it, he would have agreed with his uncle that marriage isn't about love. It's about duty. It's about finding at best someone you get along with and can have a lasting at least I don't think you'd ever think consider it friendship, but like a good rapport with someone who you get along with and maybe have similar interests and, but like, the whole idea of courting and even in his specific scenario, where he's basically been told, we're gonna throw you into this room of women, you're not even allowed to court them. You just need to pick one right? without really having any opportunity to get to know them at all. Is really in contrast with like, the overall message of movie where he does come across as this very like sweet, thoughtful Romantic grand gestures, waits on heard dotes on her. It's like, where is that coming from? It always would have made more sense if he like, didn't want to be an inventor. He wanted to be a poet. But then how could you make it such a big deal that he had to go back in time? If you didn't invent something as vital as the elevator, which he didn't do. But yeah,
Ansel Burch 30:26
it's a little bit more Wildean in his approach to like, treat every woman as if you loved her sort of.
Ben Silverio 30:32
Yeah. So it's almost like he should have gone back to his time with the his ideas of courting and love, as opposed to showing up in the future already with these ideas. Yeah,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 30:46
I feel like he would have learned those things. Oh, I can have i It would almost kind of seem more interesting if like maybe instead of being buffoonish, out of work actor if Charlie had been like, the romantic poet who teaches Leopold, a little bit about how to, like, romance women and what a modern woman wants, and then Leopold took that back, but then it wouldn't, you know, necessarily have made as much sense when Sure, Kate follows him.
Ben Silverio 31:20
But speaking of like, not really making sense, the time travel mechanism of this movie. First mean,
Ansel Burch 31:31
it's no good
Rachel Granda-Gluski 31:33
science is just insanity, to the point where I couldn't even follow it enough to like research if any of it was even a real theory. Yeah, like it was so bananas.
Ben Silverio 31:45
Isn't it technically a time loop? Then?
Ansel Burch 31:50
I mean, he doesn't repeat it, does he?
Ben Silverio 31:53
Well, Stuart has to go back. In order for Kate to go
Ansel Burch 32:01
causal paradox. Hmm. Okay. Yeah, it's a causal loop. What is why are we
Rachel Granda-Gluski 32:07
got time slip no matter when they went through it? Always take them to the same day?
Ben Silverio 32:13
Yes. What can be algorithm? Yeah.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 32:17
This whole always leads to this place.
Ansel Burch 32:20
I mean, that's how time bandits works. Kinda theory,
Ben Silverio 32:25
it always goes back.
Ansel Burch 32:27
Well, that's what they were saying. It's like there's a time door over here. They gotta go through that time door.
Ben Silverio 32:32
Oh, that's a good point. But um, Time Bandits does a better job of explaining it. I think. And because Stewart, who should have been the one explaining Yeah, didn't do a great job. You know, it kind of took me out of it. But also, you know, Saber that Saber Tooth sucks. So
Rachel Granda-Gluski 32:53
one of the things that bugged me was he was like, You're gonna go back a little bit before you left wouldn't even himself like so wouldn't he have to run out chasing him? And then the other one walks back in I'm sorry, of hiding upstairs like classic
Ben Silverio 33:10
Back to the Future to Yeah, you know, like, Marty has to avoid himself play. Good.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 33:17
Ignore that aspect of it. He just goes back early, but it's still himself. Yeah. Which I found kind of if he
Ben Silverio 33:24
had to go through that conversation with his uncle again, he would have had to take out himself. In order to do that, yeah. But then if he took out himself, then that version of himself doesn't go the future. And then yeah, exactly.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 33:38
And then because even even Stewart is like, you might see me Don't chase me this time. I'm like, No, he should have been like, Okay, you're gonna show up early, you're gonna have to hide from yourself. You're gonna see yourself Chase. Yeah, you see yourself chase me and then you need to get back in there.
Ansel Burch 33:56
We've seen Days of Future Past. He's clearly just slipped back into his own body. As it was at that time. There's not another version of him. It's just he just reappears in in the body that he had at that moment. It's just Wolverine. That's
Ben Silverio 34:15
ah, I mean, that does No, but for real Yeah, that does make it makes more sense.
Ansel Burch 34:21
Yeah, that doesn't make me more than you're gonna bump right back into your own body as it was,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 34:26
but also allege but then how?
Ben Silverio 34:29
Like, this also goes back to Stuart not explaining things very well know for sure yet for sure for sure. Which also probably explains why he was in the hospital for way longer than he should have been. Because he wasn't explaining this properly. Except to gretchin The nurse Yeah. May or may not have
Rachel Granda-Gluski 34:45
been a patient I'm sold.
Ben Silverio 34:51
Shout out to Kristen shawl for being Miss tree of Schenectady.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 34:54
This was her first role ever. She does not age.
Ben Silverio 34:57
No, she doesn't. She looks exactly the same. danglies saying
Rachel Granda-Gluski 35:00
I want to know what that girl's moisturizer routine is. Tell me about your skincare. You look fantastic. Like young in this shoe and she has aged like very well.
Ben Silverio 35:14
Another quote that I wrote down was, I'm tired and I need a rest. If I need to pedal a little pawns come to get one than so be it.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 35:22
She is a slave to capitalism. I love when she called him out. I thought that was, but then it made me angrier than when she goes with him in the end, because I was like, ma'am, we had this conversation. We really, ya know, I hate that trope of like, Oh, if only I had a romance, she gives up so much to go be with him.
Ben Silverio 35:43
But a lot of the movies back then had that. Yeah. Or I guess do you dislike those other movies as much? Or did this just seem out of character for Kate after what she went through?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 35:56
I do think it's definitely a trope I don't love I don't love the whole, like, I've worked really hard for this career. And then I'm basically like, gonna throw it all away because I met a guy. I don't love that trope. But it also seemed really, like Kate works so hard, and in does to an extent seem to enjoy her job. Yes, very competent at us. I don't think other than like missing Stewart and being lonely. I don't feel like they set up enough a reason for why she was unhappy. There. They were just like, Oh, she's she just doesn't have romance in her life. And it would have been nice if maybe they gave us some more things like maybe they provided additional context of like, oh, well, all of her girlfriends are like married and having kids and she never talks to them anymore. Her assistant, her assistant, you know, cuz her assistant was also kind of a love Lauren reading her romance novel. On the clock.
Ben Silverio 36:58
I know other actresses you that going on to do big things.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 37:02
And I think it would have made more sense than if her brother was like less of a failure. Like if her brother was also really successful, and less of a buffoon. It would have made more sense for like,
Ben Silverio 37:14
but then we wouldn't have gotten Breckin Meyer, we probably would have gotten Jeremy or Jason London. Korean all of those fucking movies back then.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 37:23
Yeah, no, he was a nice kind of flashback retreat. Um, but yeah, no, I just there. I wish they had set up more about like, why she wasn't happy, other than being lonely. And the fact that it seemed like she had no social life outside of work. Like I really liked it. But I think they needed to try harder to really, because she was so excited at first, when she got that promotion, she's been working so hard at it. And like, if you're really that miserable in a job, then why not, not bother like climbing the corporate ladder? Like I think it would have made more sense almost, if she had just been kind of like toast and a mediocre position that she didn't feel fulfilled in as opposed to, like deeply excelling at something that she was very good
Ben Silverio 38:05
at. Leopold even pointed out at one point where he was just like, if you don't like your job, then don't do it. You know, because he didn't want to endorse this thing that he didn't believe in. And it could
Rachel Granda-Gluski 38:15
have been a very good time for her to be like, Yeah, you know, the more I think about it, the more I realize how unhappy I am peddling my pond scum, but she never says that.
Ben Silverio 38:23
Yeah. She's a very different character than we see in the end. And she doesn't really earn that chain.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 38:30
Yeah, she suddenly becomes a romantic who is willing to jump back in time with really no knowledge of what she's getting into right? Blindly based off a guy that she pretty much just met who, yes, it's swept her off her feet, and that's fun and all but like,
Ben Silverio 38:49
saved her with a horse. Got her bag back. Another example of the woman giving up incredible things for a man who doesn't deserve it like penicillin. I mean, yeah, that's definitely one thing. She should definitely
Rachel Granda-Gluski 39:05
care. She's probably.
Ben Silverio 39:08
Yeah. But yeah, well, another example of that trope in action was Boy Meets World where Topanga could have gone to Yale, but then decided to go to college with Cory so they could be together. And don't get me wrong. I love Boy Meets World. But it was the wrong call. Yeah, that was totally the wrong call. And the actors now will even say like, no, she should have gone to Yale, if they were really meant to be than they would have survived that. You know, like, long distance relationships now are much easier than they were back then. And by back then, I mean, you know, Kate and Leopold times.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 39:53
Wait, which time when the
Ben Silverio 39:54
movie came out, not when Leopold Oh, back in 2001. There was no No, but just like in general like now, in the modern era, it's easier because like you can call someone or in the present day you can text or FaceTime or whatever. But even for Korean Topanga like Yale, isn't that far from Philadelphia? No. Like, they could have made it work, especially after Cory learned how to drive. You know, so like, there's
Rachel Granda-Gluski 40:26
probably been a train. Yeah, Delphia. Yeah, there's probably a train too, might have had to change over New York. But yeah, they're definitely just public transit could get you there, very
Ben Silverio 40:36
easy to figure out. But like, of course, Topanga was going to succeed no matter where she went to school. She ended up becoming a successful lawyer anyway, as we saw on Girl Meets World, but it might have been better for if she actually got to follow her dream of going to Yeah, you know, she gave up her dream of going to this ivy league school for I mean, Cory is fine.
Ansel Burch 41:04
So when Topanga time travels back, not be with Leah.
Ben Silverio 41:12
I'm just saying that depending on Kate might be kindred spirits here. You know, by that?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 41:17
I agree.
Ansel Burch 41:18
All right. Any any closing thoughts about the plot of this movie?
Ben Silverio 41:26
Similar to I don't know why this is. This is the first example like in my head, but similar to Jurassic World. Okay. When you think about it, it starts to fall apart. Yeah, yeah. You after watching it the first time you get that initial enjoyment of what you're looking for, but like, the rewatch value isn't necessarily there.
Ansel Burch 41:49
Yeah, you can't this does not stand up to scrutiny even a little.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 41:53
Oh, I did want to bring up two things. Okay. Now let's talk about one I wanted to mention that flushable toilets totally already existed in a very long time. And so the fact that he's shocked by it, that was one of the historical and I wouldn't have flushed like that. They still would have flushed though they would have flushed he would have been looking up here for a pulley. Exactly. Yeah. But it still would have flushed Yes. Like, it would have looked exactly like that toilet. To an extent that's fair. Sign has not changed all that much. But something I wanted to talk about was one of the weird things about this. For all the weird historical inaccuracies. One of the things they did get 100% Right, was the male British aristocracy. Marrying rich American women was 100% that thing all the rich all the rage because it was the case that so many of these aristocracy is their, like, family homes were crumbling, they had no money left, all they had was a title. And they were not bringing in enough income anymore to support their lifestyles. And so it was a very big thing and these new money, rich Americans loved the idea of marrying their daughters off into Gentry. And so something that I do think is funny about this movie is how like, what happens to them cuz he's not marrying rich? Because all this stuff like,
Ben Silverio 43:18
oh, yeah, his uncle's pigs. Yeah. So mad. Meanwhile, Otis is standing in the back like, yeah, you go girls,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 43:25
I never would have kissed in public like that. That would have been so scandalous. Yeah, that was a late girls that are fainting on the floor.
Ansel Burch 43:34
The talk of the village? I say,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 43:38
yeah, no, no. scandalous. He also would have like, passed out at her in pants because he makes a reference. When he sees her in pants. He like makes a reference about it. And I was like, nope, nope. Women and pants didn't become a thing until the bicycle. You're too early. Dude. That's later.
Ben Silverio 43:55
Wasn't he just saying what Charlie told him about her wearing pants? Because like, it's like Charlie warned him that she wears pants. He
Rachel Granda-Gluski 44:07
did but he still makes us he makes a connotation to her being like a working girl so she wears pants but like even working women in 1870s would not have worn Pants. Pants did not become a thing for women and till the bicycle popularized them because skirts were getting sucked up into bike chains. So they the Knickerbocker became a thing. Um, but yeah, even at most you might wear like a split skirt, which were basically wide legged pants that looked like a skirt because they were so voluminous. Lots of pants. See? Yeah, but yeah, women really didn't wear trousers and it like there were there were women who wore pants who were arrested for it. is a little earlier in history than the 1870s. But there was like a famous woman who was like, I hate lady clothes. I want to wear pants all the time, and then got arrested multiple times for. Yeah. But they she was aristocracy. So they just like find her and sent her on her way. And she paid the fines. But yeah, she was pretty hilarious.
Ben Silverio 45:20
Do you remember her name? No, because there
Rachel Granda-Gluski 45:22
were a few people like that. And there's always a big discussion about whether or not they're, like, represented, like, would they be considered queer or not? And that kind of thing. And it gets into very complicated subject matter. But I just remember that it was like a French lady who was like, Nah, screw it. You're stupid. She'd go around dressed as a dude, because the clothes are more comfortable. And then they would be like, no, no, no, and she wouldn't be like, You can't stop me. Like that was like their
Ben Silverio 45:50
whole shtick. Oh, the French
Ansel Burch 45:56
gentleman Jack doesn't she wear trousers as well?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 45:58
Yeah. And she got arrested for it. Yeah. No, she didn't necessarily wear trousers all the time. She was just very kind of masculine. And she like ran her family's company and people like it. She's in fascinating though.
Ansel Burch 46:14
And that's actually super cool. She might be a person who?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 46:18
Yeah, I mean, there were multiple women at various points who got in trouble. But yeah, one of the things is they would like find you. But typically they were all fairly well off women who would just like pay the fine and keep on keepin on in their pants. But it wasn't like a common thing until the late 1880s.
Ben Silverio 46:37
Okay, so last question. Is Caitlyn Leopold worth your time?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 46:47
I think the main issue with it is like I said, When I originally watched it back closer to when it came out. I thought it was really cute. But I think viewed with a modern lens, it just doesn't really hold up that well and it does kind of come across as kind of shallow. Justin, in terms of like, there isn't really a lot of depth to it. Parts of it are really great. Like, I definitely think that honestly, the whole relationship between Charlie and Leopold was one of my favorite parts of the whole movie. But I just don't I think there are a lot there's a lot of better rom coms out there now that I can't ever see myself being like, you know what movie you really need to see Kate and Leopold.
Ben Silverio 47:37
They're even better movies back to that. Yeah.
Serendipity. I love serendipity. It's just I mean, I don't know why that was.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 47:48
Right. Yeah. I'm gonna make Meg Ryan movie. I'm gonna make you watch When Harry Met Sally, which is? Oh, I mean, yeah, I'll
Ben Silverio 47:53
try it. Yes.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 47:56
They drive the wrong way down Lakeshore drive. In that movie. They do. So in the beginning of When Harry Met Sally, they are leaving the University of Chicago, which if you live in Chicago, you know, is on the south side of Chicago? Yes. Then as they are leaving Chicago, they are driving south down Lakeshore drive towards the Drake Hotel, which is way north of the University of Chicago, which makes me think that somebody at some point confused Northwestern and University of Chicago. Probably that makes sense. Oh, wow. Because it you would pass that if you were driving from Northwestern, but you would not pass the Drake hotel if you were driving. But it is a beautiful shot. The Dream hotel is stunning. Yeah, I'm
Ansel Burch 48:39
sure some cinematographer was like, no, no, we're doing that's like my Lord
Rachel Granda-Gluski 48:43
of the Rings, Aragorn kicks the helmet moment whenever I watched that movie with someone I'm driving past that because you know, they're trying to leave and and they they, they're that's north of where they were.
Ben Silverio 48:56
He broke his toe when he kicked the helmet.
Ansel Burch 48:59
You know, that's real. He broke his
Rachel Granda-Gluski 49:01
hotel was north of University of Chicago, they wouldn't be driving past it in that in that direction.
Ben Silverio 49:06
So I'm trying to think of like move Chicago movies to watch before I move. And like some of the ones I have on my list already are on the line. High fidelity. I've already rewatched the Blues Brothers movies, the untouchables. But like, I completely forgot that When Harry Met Sally starts in Chicago.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 49:27
It's kind of they don't stay in Chicago. They don't start in Chicago account. They begin their journey in Chicago. It's true. Then they go to New York.
Ben Silverio 49:40
What a terrible progression, right? God you gotta you gotta move away from New York. As far as possible.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 49:47
When I before I moved to Chicago, I've lived in college towns my whole life. So I actually was like, I want to live in a big city. And so I kind of thought about the three big cities He is in New York, Chicago and LA. And New York was immediately hacked off the list because as it should I have visited New York twice and whatever siren song people supposedly hear about New York I do not experience so I was uninterested. As someone
Ben Silverio 50:17
who is born and raised in Philadelphia I learned early about the the downfalls of New York. But also whenever I visited, I just did not feel like it was a place that I wanted to be congesting. Absolutely, it almost feels like you're enclosed. You know, it's so cramped. You know, it's I feel like I disparaged New York every episode of this fight
Rachel Granda-Gluski 50:48
for it, we've hit on Ohio, New York, we're doing great. Ya know, I felt the same way I that's one of the things I love about Chicago is you can have that like downtown built up feeling and then you go 20 minutes on the train. And it's totally different.
Ben Silverio 51:01
Stephen Colbert said that Chicago has everything New York has but just less of it. And I'm like, Yeah, that makes sense.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 51:11
And then la just seems to is the
Ben Silverio 51:14
best I know.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 51:16
Yeah. Definitely. contender anything. I just knew more people in Chicago. That makes sense. Like it's not that far. It's cuz I moved. I was living in Madison, Wisconsin at the time I knew a lot of people here I had a support system already. I only knew like three people who lived in LA but what's hilarious is now I know a ton of people who live out
Ben Silverio 51:35
so you want to enter moving soon.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 51:36
Oh, no. If I tried to his my mother in law got mad enough when I took him to another state. And one next door if I tried to move him across the country, I'm pretty sure she would never forget.
Ben Silverio 51:53
Well, if you decide you want to go to Disneyland hit me up. Because I'm always down for Disney trip.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 51:58
I love Hell yeah. Usually out of my grandma lives out in California. Newport Beach. Oh, gorgeous. Yes. Also horrible. Also horrible. One of the houses across from where she lives, it fell into the don't make
Ben Silverio 52:11
sense. I mean, look what the Bluths did to Newport Beach. So
Rachel Granda-Gluski 52:16
yeah, she lives in Newport Beach. And we typically go visit her at Christmas. So I'm usually always in California, Christmas
Ben Silverio 52:21
is the best time to go. Yes. I cannot wait to do Disneyland at Christmas. It's been too long since I've done it. Usually I would do Thanksgiving. Because that's when the Haunted Mansion would already convert over to number for Christmas. Because of Halloween, but then all the Christmas decorations go up around the rest of the park. So I love it. I honestly could talk about Disney parks for fucking ever. Different pockets. That's a whole different podcast. Coming soon to the indecisions Podcast Network. Hey.
Ansel Burch 52:58
Before we get off of movies that feature Chicago, I do want to give you one tiny Fun fact, when I worked at the Museum of Science and Industry. There's a Keanu Reeves movie called chain reaction in which he runs into there's a big chase scene. And he runs around the hall of airplanes, okay at the Museum of Science and History. And he goes through a door and he comes out in a different part of the Field Museum. So they can run past the dinosaurs. Nice. So if you want to watch that before you leave,
Rachel Granda-Gluski 53:30
trying to think of other movies that take place, but at this point I wanted I'm read too many books that take place in Chicago. I'm starting to forget
Ansel Burch 53:40
what happened book talker. Oh, I
Rachel Granda-Gluski 53:42
just read a book that took place in Chicago. It wasn't good. It's too bad. Let's take this one home.
Ben Silverio 53:49
Was it divergent?
Rachel Granda-Gluski 53:53
Fucking books.
Ben Silverio 53:54
Movies are much better.
Ansel Burch 53:56
We have a friend who was in those. We have several friends. Exploit now they were all which one lucky. Oh, yeah. Bunch of stuff
Ben Silverio 54:05
dated someone named lucky.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 54:06
Yes, his nickname.
Ben Silverio 54:09
Sounds like a puppy.
Ansel Burch 54:10
Yeah, that's reasonable.
Ben Silverio 54:15
All right. Well, you can find us on the internet. I'm at vehcile Vario 20 on Instagram, Twitter and hive.
Rachel Granda-Gluski 54:24
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Ansel Burch 54:30
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Ben Silverio 54:51
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Ansel Burch 54:59
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Ben Silverio 55:06
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