Back to the Future II Part 2
Erin Cline, Ben Silverio, and Ansel Burch are pop culture observers/ content creators/ excellent friends who are here to make sure everyone has sex with the right people at the right times.
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Transcript
Ben Silverio 0:05
Hey, I'm Ben Silverio.
Erin Cline 0:07
I'm Erin Cline
Ansel Burch 0:08
and I'm Ansel Burch,
Ben Silverio 0:10
and it's time to
Ansel Burch 0:16
party. We are not doctors. We don't give medical advice. Please drink responsibly. Today's episode was recorded on january 20, 2025
Ben Silverio 0:32
party people. Welcome back to the show that never ends until it does.
We are the greatest show on earth to these three people specifically,
we are time to party. Thank you for joining us. We are stoked to come back to you for our fourth year.
Man, we we've been doing this for a while, and in celebration of that, we have our original co host back with us. Aaron Klein, hello, everyone. I'm so happy to be back. Oh, this movie that I love. Yes, we absolutely had to talk about this movie, because, I mean, it's my favorite of the trilogy. This trilogy truly is what spawned this idea. It, it strengthened my friendship with Aaron. It. It has done a lot for so many over the years, and so now we're finally going to talk about it. Yay, because here we are with our review
Erin Cline 1:42
of Back to the Future Part Two, that you could do four years of this show before getting back to back to the future too, because that means that you have enough movies, and you have enough people who like, want to do it, and who want to, like talk about it too. Like, I think that that's great, and we should, like, put a pin in to celebrate that. So I love that you guys have continued this project, and that, like, four years later, we can get to something that I think people would have thought of immediately, and would have been like, of course, they're gonna do that, like, right away. So it's nice to be four years in and be like, All right, yeah, we saved it. Yeah, saved. Let's hit him with the big hit.
Ben Silverio 2:16
And for if whatever reason you don't know about, Back to the Future Part Two, our good friends of rotten tomatoes have this to say in this zany sequel, time traveling duo, Marty McFly and Dr Emmett Brown returned from saving Marty's future son from disaster, only to discover their own time transformed in this nightmarish version of Hill Valley, Marty's father has been murdered by Biff Tannen, Marty's Nemesis has profited. What?
After uncovering the secret to Biff success, a Sports Almanac for the future, Marty and the doc embark on a quest to repair the space time continuum.
Erin Cline 2:58
Yeah, that's the whole certainly got more spirit. Yeah, I was gonna say they certainly have some audacity to say that they're fixing the timeline when it's them who fucked it up.
Ben Silverio 3:06
It's true. It's their fault.
Ansel Burch 3:08
You break the vase and you glue it back together. It was still fixing. Yeah, exactly. You did still break it.
Ben Silverio 3:17
You did. I do like that idea of that, the ancient technique of like, melting down gold in order to fix something.
Ansel Burch 3:27
Oh, yes,
Erin Cline 3:28
Japanese art. I can't remember. It's called off the top of my head.
Ben Silverio 3:30
Yeah, me too.
Erin Cline 3:31
Are they inlay it with gold? I love that.
Ben Silverio 3:34
It's super cool.
Ansel Burch 3:35
Hey, there, friends. It's been a while since we did one of these, but it's Ansel coming in as your host and post to let you know that that art form is called Kintsugi. That's Kintsugi. K, I N T, S, U, G, I, and it literally translates to gold seams.
Ben Silverio 3:53
So there you go. Little extra edutainment in the review episode, enjoy. Man. There are just so many things that you could say about this movie. But I want to start with this only has a 63% on the tomato meter, on Rotten Tomatoes and 86%
on popcorn, on the popcorn meter, 86
I'm surprised, 86 that that seems really high as an audience review, 63 makes sense, because again, so many people find this timeline confusing, and so many people are like, it's too busy. There's too much going on, so I'm not totally surprised by that. They're wrong, but I'm not surprised so wrong. They're wrong, but I get it, yeah. I mean, it could just be my incredible bias, but I feel like back to future part two is one of the best sequels ever? Oh, I would totally agree with that. I know the five at least. It's
Erin Cline 4:49
hard because, like, Evil Dead one and Evil Dead two are the same movie. They're just done with a higher budget. And so that's hard too, because, like, that undeniably, is a Is it better than the first one sequel? But again, that's they're doing.
Speaker 1 5:00
A purpose, right? Let's see. I mean, Captain America, the Winter Soldier is a great sequel, sure, aliens, aliens, yeah, and another, like, totally different from the first movie, but, like, in a really good and thoughtful way, that's a good example. Yeah, yep. There's just, I can't stop thinking of bad ones. The only bad one that keeps running through my head is Miss Congeniality two, one of the worst sequels I've ever seen in my life. A fine romp would have been fine as its own comedy was terrible as a sequel.
Ben Silverio 5:37
Bring it on again.
No, we'll bring it on some more. Yeah, thank you. Thank you. I believe the third one was bringing on all or nothing. I believe you're correct. Actually,
Ansel Burch 5:51
I think they missed bring some more on. It's true.
Ben Silverio 5:55
But then at a certain point, they turned it into a horror movie. I think for the fifth or sixth one, like, it's a horror movie. What
Ansel Burch 6:05
we have talked about this before? It's wild,
Erin Cline 6:10
okay, yeah, I don't you know like this, this cheerleading, uh, quintuple, where you know what we're gonna do, make it black, Christmas. Fuck it, throw it in there.
Ben Silverio 6:20
Hey. I mean, if you can take the banana splits and turn it into a horror movie,
Sure, anything can be a horror movie, like that, poo, yeah, and there's a new movie in that, in that universe, or poo diverse about Peter Pan, oh,
Ansel Burch 6:40
yeah, it's, it's wild, but I just love saying, is that series just called its public domain now bitches, probably it should be. I love that.
Ben Silverio 6:52
Is there a podcast series about that there should be, that there absolutely should be fascinating. Is that the next iteration of x tracks,
Ansel Burch 7:02
I would make that podcast with you. Love
Ben Silverio 7:05
it. I'm gonna have to put that pin that in my brain. There's so many things that have already been said about back to future part two, and it's like hard to, like, bring up new and engaging things about it.
So I don't know why this was the first thing that popped in my head, but Terry in the in 2015 when Terry's like, save the clock tower and, oh, the cubbies, I would put money on the cubbies.
I forgot that he was the
that he was the the guy who was fixing biffs car,
like he gives Biff the quotes. Yeah,
Erin Cline 7:49
even notice this crazier everything flew over my head this time,
Ben Silverio 7:55
like, even crazier. Do you know who that actor is? No, no, that is Charles Fleischer, better known as the voice of Roger Rabbit. Oh, isn't that wild? What?
Erin Cline 8:09
Christopher Lloyd's in the movie. I'm, I'm doing it yes in, oh my gosh, you like a small part. And he was like, Yes, I was yes, I would.
Ben Silverio 8:19
That's, I did not notice that. Yeah, I'm sure this is something that I knew before. But when I when I was going through it this time around, I was just like, holy shit, is it? And I double checked and totally was
speaking of Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
You know, Disneyland does a thing called the Oogie Boogie bad during Halloween season, when they have like villains at and that have like trick or treat trails where kids can interact with the character and get free candy and all this shit. Right? One of the villains that they added was Christopher Lloyd's Judge Doom from Who Framed Roger Rabbit. And there's this great scary. It's so scary because there's a moment where he takes that shoe, like the tune, and puts it in dip. And the effects that they use to make it happen are so fucking cool. I want to see it in person, so bad, but I don't want to pay for Oogie Boogie bash
for real. I could just go, do they just, like, lower them into a trap door and then like, pull back out of like, it's actually something pool. It's like a drum of liquid that they're dipping it into. But it's just like the effects make it look like it's like disintegrating and burning up into the thing, you know, kind of like sugar based where, like, the water itself is what makes it start to do the fizzy dissolving, maybe, or it's just like, you know, smoke effects and good timing and lighting and all that stuff. But no matter they do it, it looks great. If you could find it on YouTube somewhere, like, it's truly great.
Unknown Speaker 9:59
I don't know.
Erin Cline 9:59
Who Framed Roger Rabbit in a long, like, over a decade, easily.
Ben Silverio 10:04
I love that movie. So good. Yeah, I like last year. I remember being obsessed with it when I was younger, you know, and like when, when we were younger, Who Framed Roger Rabbit was a bigger property at Disneyland, specifically because they had the Roger Abbot cartoon spin in Toontown, and Roger was supposed to be a much bigger character in the realm of Disney parks. But for whatever reason, the movie didn't take off in the way that, you know, they thought it would, even though it's like one of the greatest movies of all time, in my opinion, sometimes
Erin Cline 10:40
like, camp, either people get it immediately, or camp is like, 1520, years later, people rewatch it and are like, Oh, show girls, incredible movies, so fucking good. But people thought it was a joke, and it's like, it literally is. It's satire. It's a black satire. And, like, I don't understand why people can't see that now today. Like, how can you not look at that and be like, and be like, camp? That's fucking camp. It's true.
Ben Silverio 11:07
You know. To Wong foo, thanks for everything. Julie Newmark,
Erin Cline 11:12
do you want to know another Gene Kelly, fact,
Ben Silverio 11:14
yes, please.
Ansel Burch 11:15
Yeah.
Erin Cline 11:16
The movie that's considered the first ever camp movie is singing in the rain with Gene Kelly. Love it. Oh, crazy. It's, I mean, if you, like, watch the movie and you think about it, it's like, Oh, totally. It's big. It has this, like, send up of itself. It's kind of meta, like, it has super meta, right? Things, yeah, it has, like, all of the stuff that's like, like, each character has something you can find within it later. That's like, big and crazy and like that is that's the first camp movie. Makes me so happy.
Ben Silverio 11:47
I have tickets to go see singing in the rain on the big screen this week.
Ansel Burch 11:53
That's cool.
Ben Silverio 11:55
Yes. Shout out to vidiots, one of my favorite theaters here in LA. They have a theater, but they're also a video store. And phenomenal that. Man, I'm jealous. I've never seen Singing in the Rain in like a movie theater on a big screen like that. Oh yeah. I'm super stoked. You should check out the music box and see if they're showing it, because they do occasionally. Yeah, me too.
Ben Silverio 12:20
We saw Back to the Future three in theaters, right? Was that we did, but I thought that was at an AMC. You're right. It wasn't an AMC, no, they say that. That was a huge theater we are in. But I did. I did see all three of the Back to the Future movies at the music box as the last movie I saw in Chicago as a resident lavender Vixen and I went and watched the whole thing.
She thought that chimichangas would be a good movie snack.
It was a it was a little hard to eat, but very delicious.
Erin Cline 12:58
Back row. That's it. That's why you said the back row. Yep.
Anyway,
let's go back to the gift for the Future Part Two. Okay, yes, that was interesting. I didn't know that. Let me ask, let me ask you a question about for the future too. What is your favorite part of this one? Oh, man, um,
Ben Silverio 13:20
I really love the chase through the square, you know, with the hoverboards, like I love a callback, so to see how they do it in this one versus the first one. I think is really fun.
I I also used to get a kick.
Exactly. I used to get a kick out of that part because he's just like, McFly, you Bo Joe.
It's so dumb. But, like, I really love that part. I think it's so fun. And this time around, I forgot that it was so early in the movie.
Erin Cline 14:03
Yes, I also did. I was because you think of it as the first movie where it's like, pretty far into the first movie before that happens, because there's a lot of exposition before that, whereas this one, they're like, you already have the exposition. Let's fuck it. Go like time travel car got it all right. Yeah, exactly like, I love that part. You're right. I What? Just like in this one, just like in the first one, like one of the things they're the best at is really showing how awful Biff and his gang are, right? Let the bullies that they have basically nothing redeeming about them. Like being able to watch it this during the second one, like, especially being aware having seen it a million times. Like, what's coming with that character? Additionally, also, like, I agree. I like that scene a lot. It's so good. Oh yes, good, yeah. And right before we see the young Elijah Wood playing Wild Gunman. Every single time that happens, I'm both.
Like, oh yeah. And then like, what the fuck I forget he was a child actor. That's part of it. I've seen that one with him and Macaulay Culkin, which is fucking horrifying, bad son or good son, bad son, terrible, horrifying. We'll never watch it as a parent. Oh, it's two children who basically try to kill each other over and over. Macaulay culkins The bad guy, Elijah Wood is the child being corrupted anyway. That's I've seen that. And then him in back to future two, and I'm and like, that's it. So in my brain, I'm like, You appeared and learned the rings never before.
Ansel Burch 15:36
I think for me, it's got to be the the very end scene when he gets the letter from Doc in the 1800s I know, I know it's like the least exciting part of the movie, but that's the kind of time travel shit that I get into. Yes, so man, and it's such a beautiful like, coda, you know, you get all this good time travel shit. You get all the like, you know, back and forth with the car and all, you know, like the whole movie has happened and it's and it's fucking dope all the way through. And then you get this little nugget of my favorite kind of time travel nonsense, letters from the past delivered on an exact moment. Because, you know, this is where I just, ah, so good. And that I don't know who plays that guy, the the agent or the wells, Fargo, everything. He's, yeah, I think part of it is I just see him and I'm like, blank. And I think that that's part of it too, is that he does feel very like middle of the night this, this dude is just any dude like it. I love his delivery too. Where he's, like, all abrupt, and you're like, Oh no, this dude is angry, and then he's like, anyway, I'm from the Postal Service. Uh, kind of shocked that you're here, a little bit like, I love that interaction. Just lost a bet, right? Oh, man, truly didn't think you're gonna be here in the rain. Could have stayed in the car.
Erin Cline 17:01
Yeah, I agree. I love that scene.
Unknown Speaker 17:05
I Okay.
Ben Silverio 17:08
Is he the same guy who plays the dead and Freaks and Geeks?
Oh, maybe I've never seen Freaks and Geeks really. Oh, um, I really liked it a lot. Linda cardelli is super good in it.
And then obviously young Jason Siegel and Seth Rogen,
kind of hard to watch James Franco stuff now,
but, but Tom Wilson is like, I've probably never watched this. It is very good.
I'm just checking really quick. Sorry, because now I'm, I'm like, if it is now you want to know who that guy is. Oh, man, busy. Phillips was also I'm like, do this is Bobby. Tell me who this person is. Yes,
Ansel Burch 18:04
that was a fucking genius move to have Bobby's whole segment be okay. This is who this person is fucking for, right? Like we talked about it when we were, like,
Erin Cline 18:13
planned storming, when we were putting it together, the idea together before we actually started doing it. And that was what we said. We were, like, it would be nice, because he was around for like,
X Files as a property that was like, live. He was like, old enough to remember it. And so we were like, well, put them together and tell us who the fuck these people are. I don't want to look and it just turned into, like, such a such a good cap on those episodes too, where it's like, it's the same thing, of, I can't believe that's that same person, or like you've seen this person in 17 other episodes. Like, I love that
stuff too. I think it's fascinating. I got stuck in the revolving door of Star Trek. Yes, exactly. We've never had a full I think maybe, wait, hold on. I think we just had our only full hit of someone who was on both tos and The X Files. I think we've gotten close a couple of times where it's been like a different Star Trek and The X Files, sure. Anyway, sorry, that's a fucking huge sidebar.
Ben Silverio 19:15
No.
Erin Cline 19:17
Extracts, it's dope. Yeah, come, yeah. Come, listen to my podcast. Extracts. It's about The X Files and Star Trek, The Original Series. We pick a theme and then we talk about our feelings. It's a fucking wild ride.
Ansel Burch 19:30
It's so cool. Yeah, I
Erin Cline 19:32
was about to make a joke. I don't know appropriate. Was gonna say, you could cut this if you want. But hold on. Wait, I was gonna make a joke. You come listen to us talk about Ryan Reynolds, young, dumb, full of come like, it's a great show. It's like extracts.
Unknown Speaker 19:45
Yep,
Ben Silverio 19:47
that is truly Ryan Reynolds,
Ansel Burch 19:52
really,
Erin Cline 19:54
I know
Ansel Burch 19:57
he's just older now though that's.
Erin Cline 20:00
Middle aged, dumb,
Ben Silverio 20:03
yeah, he made a whole career out of it in the Marvel
Ansel Burch 20:08
Universe, yeah?
Ben Silverio 20:18
Joe clarity,
that that is a great Joe Flaherty,
yes, Joe Flaherty does play the dad in in,
in Freaks and Geeks, in addition to the western union man from back in the future, part two.
Ansel Burch 20:38
But Western Union, not Wells Fargo,
Ben Silverio 20:42
but I also forgot that he was in Detroit Rock City as the priest, and he was in Happy Gilmore as the jeering fan. This dude was everywhere.
Ansel Burch 20:54
Character actors, the best, yep, the backbone of the industry. Absolutely 100% Unfortunately, he passed away last year.
Ben Silverio 21:04
Oh no, yeah, on April Fool's Day.
Ansel Burch 21:09
Oh, that's already really then that's a hard day to go. Yeah,
Ben Silverio 21:15
that's Oh man. He was on SCTV. Like this dude has had a career,
man, yeah, good for him.
Erin Cline 21:28
I know. Again, character actors get in work. It's the best, then they can retire. Hopefully, maybe
get that bag Exactly. We're a big fan of get that bag at Time to party. Ethically, hopefully,
yes, uh, so what's your favorite scene? Aaron, we started talking. We started talking about this in the last episode about, like, the continuity. People get confused, but I really do love the magazine chasing. I love that the Strickland is involved in it. I love the reveal of Ooh, la, la. I love that. Like, it's very funny to me that biff's instinct was to rewrap with the cover, but not throw the thing away. Like, I like that. Also as like, a thing we learn about his character is that even though we thought this old man was stupid, like he did actually take care to keep this thing protected. And, like, I just love that. Marty's like, really chasing it, and he's like, I'm gonna get this. And he opens it. He's
like, every single time it just works for me. And like, he looks up and sees the for the scenes from the first movie happening while this is happening to like, him hiding in the staircase. I think is very funny. I just, I really like that one. I think for me, it really,
Ben Silverio 22:47
really encapsulate what, what I like about the second one, I like that. It's Sadie. I like that. There's a lot of physical prop comedy in it. Like that really works for me hard. Second, very close to that is the scene in the house, again, Jennifer coming in. Lights on, ma'am, you should really reprogram this. All of the people coming out like, I love that no one in the fam This is so true to the day. I love that no one in the family notices that she's young. Not a single fucking person in the house is like, what happened to your face? Like, they just, I guess, assume that she could de age somehow, or they they just, what I assume is like, don't look up from their phones. Are not actually paying attention, and they're like, Yeah, everything just goes completely past them. Turn the screens on. Let me go in here and do this, which again, eerily similar to today, but like, I love that look at of what that house and what that family looks like. And like, you get this reveal, also that Marty is like a middle manager. You get this look into his life that you're not expecting, and you can see why he's angry and upset. And like, I just love the way that it works together in the second one, like, I think they use that space so effectively. Oh yes, agreed. I love that. Another thing that I think could do incredibly effectively is foreshadowing, because, you know, they were shooting two and three simultaneously, or if not, one after the other, right? So you could put some like seeds into the second one that lead perfectly into the third one, like, you know, Biff watching the the Eastwood movie and, you know, Mad Dog tannin and all that stuff, you know. So I think it was really smart storytelling to be like, hey, remember this thing that's gonna come up later,
Erin Cline 24:38
and it's interesting too, that he's watching, sorry, Ansel, I just
Ansel Burch 24:42
got you No, please. I
Erin Cline 24:44
think it's interesting too, that we see him watching this western in what is actually not the real timeline too, that like we are getting this foreshadowing, but it's from not real time also. So that's like good luck into Biff as, like a holistic character that.
Something that is like inside of him at every single point. We just don't see it in the same ways, until fake the second and then back in the third in the West. But you're right. I love that foreshadowing. I love when you've seen the third one that you can easter egg is stunning. It's so, so good. And it's it's funny too, because I feel like not necessarily in a bad way, but like one feels like its own movie because it was, it was not intended to be past that. The end was just supposed to be like a singer or whatever. But like two and three feel so similar to each other, while the first one feels very distinct and different in its own way. So I think it's kind of interesting and funny, that as a trilogy, they all fit very well together. But these two, like you said, really, really work like in tandem in a way that, like, just was not possible before. And like,
I like that the second and third one are more zany because it makes the trilogy as a whole work in the back half in a way that I don't know that it would have without these particular pieces like this zany,
like, rump cub. I don't know what the ROB is, the right word there for it, but like, you know, like a zany back and forth time travel piece, and then you like, get this very still and calm sort of until it explodes in the West. And what that looks like on the other side of the first one, which is just like this. Is normal. It's It's always like this. Anyway. That's kind of a ramble. But to say the same thing, I think that they use the filmmaking in such an incredible way that even though they're very different from the first one, they everything feels so good and fit so wholly together, so good, just so good. I know I'm just like sitting here thinking about how much I love this movie. Something that I did want to bring up, that we did talk about in the first episode,
Ben Silverio 26:49
was crisp and Glover, because, you know, a lot of people, they think he's in the second and third one, but he's not.
They have a different actor in prosthetics to get new shots of George McFly
spliced up with,
you know, old footage that they didn't use in the first one. And I know that Crispin Glover, you know, was on the Opie and Anthony show back in 2013 talking about it. And he was just like he never liked the the way that the new guy,
Jeffrey Weissman, was playing George
like he would have done it very differently.
And yet people think that it's him, because they nobody really talks about it. I feel like people talk about it a little bit more now, but like Crispin Glover not doing this movie because he didn't like the script and the salary or whatever. But then for him to like go on to make such an impact in Hollywood, you know, with this really important thing that now, Hey, you can't use my likeness without paying me like this. This is a an ongoing thing in Hollywood, still with the rise of AI and all that stuff. So Crispin Glover was like the first one to the barricade for this.
Erin Cline 28:19
Yeah, man, it's like I said in the first episode too, it's such a hard thing to do to go up against a studio and be like, fuck you. Give me my money. Like it's a hard decision to make, and especially as an actor who knows that they'll almost certainly be blacklisted whether they win or lose that case like it, yeah. And especially, COVID is not going to take that nice, right, exactly, and like, coming out of such a wildly successful movie, to be able to, like, Yeah, I'm gonna fuck them. They recast me, and I'm I don't care if it ruins my career, I'm gonna get this like, I think that it's awesome. Just in case anyone doesn't know we didn't, we haven't, like, specifically said it yet. This time, Crispin Glover sued the studios so that he could make sure that we would never have to deal with that going forward as actors that like, you can't play a movie with someone else's face on it, on a TV, in a movie, and not give them representational money. Like, that's just how that works. You can't steal emotional You can't steal intellectual property. And Chris biggle ever made them write that shit into law? He really went run it back like that. It made an incredible change in Hollywood. And also, as Ben was saying with AI, like, it could be one of the things that keeps that from happening, like, that's crazy. That is such an intergenerational impact on Hollywood that, like that, I don't think gets talked about enough that he really fucking went for it.
Ben Silverio 29:44
Because, you know, I don't know how public facing he is these days, but I do hope that he's, you know, still fighting the fight for this, you know, like, I hope he's still in it. Because, like, obviously.
A lot of people in Hollywood are very up in arms about what's going on,
yeah, but like he was, like, he was like, among the, the first wave, you know? So, yeah, hopefully he can still,
hopefully people can still look at this franchise as the great series that it is, while also still having its problems and issues like this, you know, like it's one thing to have a problematic fave, but it's another thing to acknowledge that the areas in which it's problematic.
Ansel Burch 30:37
I also think that it's worth acknowledging that because this was on the cutting edge of that moment, you know, like there wasn't a precedent for that not being allowed, sure, and that
doesn't make it right, and it doesn't make it okay, but it means that it has a place in the historicity of this
truth that you know this is the time when we said, No, stop it. Yeah,
and I think that's worth acknowledging, because this is not otherwise a problematic film, as far as I'm aware.
Erin Cline 31:19
You know this, it it shouldn't ruin your enjoyment of the film, as long as you have an awareness of that historicity, that place that it has in in the conversation, you know, you said something Ansel about this, like, as far as you know, not having, like, a bad history, or, like, something that would detract really from watching this. I didn't realize, like, until you said that out loud, like, that's kind of crazy that these are three movies that were shot and filmed in the early to mid 80s, and really fucking holed up, super, super holed up. And I've never heard anything about anyone who was involved in this movie being a huge piece of shit, which is, like, just astronomical, after this many years, so I don't know you said that. And I was like, wow, that is actually pretty cool, right? Like,
Ansel Burch 32:11
let's cherish that shit Exactly. Just like,
Ben Silverio 32:15
yeah, none of these people have come out as being like, super racist or like, yeah, you know, like, I'm sure that Crispin Glover and Eric Stoltz may have other opinions.
But you know, as a whole,
right, as a whole, it seems like it's largely untouched by all of that terrible stuff that comes up with entertainment. Yeah, that's wild, cool.
I mean, good for them, right? Like, that's great.
Ansel Burch 32:50
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Ben Silverio 33:01
one way that Back to the Future has stayed alive and relevant is through the theater. And I just wanted to bring this up, because Back to the Future, the musical was here in LA and I saw it. It was in Chicago too, but I don't think either of you saw it, no, but one of my very good friends saw it.
Erin Cline 33:24
Oh yeah. The
soundtrack is amazing. I haven't listened to the soundtrack. That's that is. The other thing is, I only know about people from their mouth, what that what it was like to be in the theater while they were watching it. And it sounds weird. Yes,
Ben Silverio 33:41
you use the word weird. My, my good friend, I went to theater school with him, and he went to see it, and he was like, What the fuck was that he really likes Back to the Future. And he got to the end, and was like, I didn't realize until you said it out loud to me, how different exactly the like theme of it was by that scene. He was like, but it didn't matter, because the rest of it was fucking bad. I didn't like it. The thing that I will say was really good about it was the the the technical aspects, like, spoiler alert, the DeLorean fucking flies at the end. And not, like, not like a wicked one up and like,
but like it like hovers around and then goes back in time, and it's fucking sick. It like that moment, like chills and like the the scene where they're trying to get the car up to 88 miles per hour. Fucking incredible the way that they use mixed media to make it happen. But
they're one of the things that they change about the DeLorean is that they make it voice activated, in addition to needing the the gigawatts
and and it's interesting, it's real dumb.
Um, it's so unnecessary. It's not even like, uh,
like, sure on in theater. You want to make sure that things are bigger, bolder, brighter. But this does nothing to add to the story or the staging or any of it. And that's just one of the many things that's like, weird. Wouldn't that cut at the knees of Biff getting into the car in the second one, right? He wouldn't have been able to open it. Yeah, yeah. Like, why would they do that the whole second move? What? Why would you do things? Yeah, it's really ridiculous.
Ansel Burch 35:36
I don't know if they just thought, like, verisimilitude wise, it needed it like,
I don't think that's right, but I'm trying to think what would possibly justify you wanting to do that. I don't know. Maybe it's because you did it have somebody's voice? Was it like Jennifer's voice or something? No, it was. It felt like Knight Rider, like,
Ben Silverio 35:58
oh, so it was just another 80s, right? Yes, maybe like, but it wasn't like a voice that anyone recognized. It was like the the announcer's voice at the beginning that tells you to, like, turn off your cell phones. So
Erin Cline 36:13
I don't know. I have a question Is it, did they interact with the DeLorean a lot? Like, was there a ton of interacting with it, or was the voice like, basically stopping the interaction? Because that I understand, if the car has to, like, not get fucked up in order to fly, I understand why they would try and take every step back from having to interact with it, because then, right, if you, if you're opening it with your voice, like it's a controlled mechanism from inside the car, like, you're not trying to like, oh yeah, I can see that. So that makes sense to me as like a prop reason, but like as a storyline reason. It doesn't really make sense. Yeah, I guess it makes sense. It just was very unnecessary.
Ben Silverio 36:56
But then, like, another thing that kind of took me out of it too, was that Biff and Doc, the actors that were playing them were doing essentially impressions of Christopher Lloyd and Tom Wilson. So, you know, you you really need to, like, make it your own in order for it to work, which I feel like the performers on Broadway did, because what's his name? Roger Bart, who was the voice of Hercules, and, you know, he was in the producers and all that. He was Doc Brown on Broadway. And in the performance that I saw, I think from the Tonys, like, I think he made it work. But when I saw it as part of the show live, I was just like, this doesn't really work. That's like, oh my god, I saw,
Erin Cline 37:41
Oh my god, To Kill a Mockingbird when it was in Chicago and it was written for what's his fuck from the newsroom. He died one of the Jeffreys, oh my god, Dumb
Ben Silverio 37:54
and Dumber, right? Yes.
Erin Cline 37:58
Jeff Daniels. Daniels, yes. It was this revival. It was Aaron Sorkin who redid the Tequila Mockingbird for the stage. Excuse me, and that part was Atticus was written for Jeff Daniels. Like, it is so clear watching it that it's written for Jeff Daniels by Aaron Sorkin. Like, it's just super clear that that's what's happening there. But it wasn't him who was playing it. It was, this is such a deep cut reference. It was the one of the guys from the Tim Curry version of it. He was the writer with the long ponytail. That was the guy that I saw play Atticus Finch. And he was fucking great. He was so good. But it was so weird to watch him try to make this interpretation of his character work when it was clearly only written for Jeff Daniels and like, I wonder if maybe that's part of it too. Is if this character is, like, really closely molded to the Broadway character, anything is gonna feel weird. You know what? I mean? Yeah, sure. Yeah, it's,
Ben Silverio 39:02
it's just, man, I went into it so stoat, but, like, even the arrangement of the music was weird, like, the order in which the songs came up, like, I feel like they should have, if they didn't have, like, a banger opening number, they should have started with a song that we knew already, and they already had the the Huey Lewis on the news. Like songs on board, but like they just where they put them didn't seem like the right places. But whatever, they're touring the country now. So sorry,
Ansel Burch 39:38
whatever. Guess it can't be that bad.
Erin Cline 39:42
People are paying to see it. I guess people paid to see Phantom of the Opera for, like, 37 years, all right? Like, not doesn't always have to be super great.
I have seen phantom twice. I've seen it once, and I enjoyed it. It was good, but it's also popcorn, right? Like, that's, that's what.
Yeah, it's just pure. I mean, that's also true of the movies. They're just good,
Ansel Burch 40:05
yeah,
nothing wrong with that, yeah,
oh, man. Anything else on your list? Ben
Ben Silverio 40:13
That about covers it for what I want to talk it's hard to really encapsulate in this short podcast episode, all of the things I love about Back to the Future. Part Two, you know, it, it just feels like it's so ingrained in me, like it's part of my DNA, you know? So it's like, it's hard to really touch on everything that I love about it, but it's just, I think what it boils down to is that it's fun, you know? Yeah, well, that's, and I think that there's, it's, it's worth being aware that we are in a privileged place based upon, as we talked about at the beginning, where we were born.
Ansel Burch 40:53
I don't think any of us have a conscious memory of a time when there wasn't a Back to the Future and a back to the future too. Absolutely, this has always been a part of the cultural landscape for the entirety of my life, functionally,
Ben Silverio 41:12
even before I saw the movies, the ride was like the thing for me at Universal which made me love going to the theme park, and then, like, I guess, in turn, in conjunction with Disney, like, made me fascinated with, like, theme park attractions and things like that. So, you know, which is probably why I'm still so angry that it doesn't exist in anywhere in the world anymore. Sad
for for an incredibly subpar ride that needs to be replaced. Very soon. The Simpsons ride became outdated within years of of existing and shocking. Yeah, you know, it's just so bad. Yeah,
Erin Cline 41:57
it's hard with Back to the Future now too, because, like, we are literally past the marker that we were supposed to be, like, Oh my god. I can't believe we're gonna be there. And so I feel like that's part of it too. It's just not part of this generation's cultural zeitgeist in the same way that sort of understand it, part of that too. And I mean this in a very loving way, part of it is that Michael J Fox is pretty different now, like, he like, Isn't I don't think people think of him as, like, a gonna sound weird, but like a sex icon, like he kind of is in these movies. Like, yeah, right. So I think that's part of he was the hottest shit that was out there at that time. Absolutely. Like, I feel like, now we love Michael J Fox in a very different way. Love him, and he's made, like, wild medical stretches to to, like, help people genetically. Like, he's an incredible, like, icon in lots of ways. But like, I don't think people of a super young generation really think about like, I mean, I feel that way. I don't think that about, like many actors who are now in their 70s as being sexy. Like, I never thought of like, Oh my god. I can't even think of any off the top of my head, Helen Mirren is still sexy girl, so just saying, she is hot as hell. That's true. Yes, Kurt Russell, that's who jumps into my head. I think of Kurt Russell, and then I forget, like, Oh, that's right, he was, like, really hot for like, both as
an actor. Henry Winkler, yes, oh yeah. I made a fun joke to somebody that I was dating recently and he didn't know what it meant. I was like, Oh. I
Ben Silverio 43:34
was like, how young are you? I'm gonna need you to confirm for me what year you were born. Can I see your ID, please? That is, that is a great way to ID people. Yeah.
Ansel Burch 43:47
Are you too young to ride this ride? Oh,
Erin Cline 43:51
my God, I'm so old. Yeah. He I made a joke about, like, being able to hit something and, like, turn it on. And so I just sent him a Fonz GIF of the thing, and he was just like, No clue. Had no idea. Oh, the guy
Ben Silverio 44:08
from Barry.
More people know him now, from Arrested Development and Barry than anything which is wild. It's so wild. Put that also great roles for him. He's great about it. He's Prince Junior rom com that he's in. He plays his dad, and he's fantastic in that too. Plays like a professional chef. I remember putting salt on things, and he was like a sprinkle in front of Prince Junior win. That's a shower of salt. That's why I think of that when I cook. Now,
Unknown Speaker 44:40
just a
Unknown Speaker 44:42
shower. I
Speaker 1 44:45
shower. It was one of the generation of many wrong gods.
Erin Cline 44:51
I loved, all of them trying
Ben Silverio 44:54
to think what it is now too. I'll look it up later. No, it's gonna bother me until I figure it out later. Anyway.
Anyway,
yes, I think at this point it is well documented what our answer is going to be. But the question that we ask on this podcast, for everything Aaron is back to the future. Part two, worth your time, absolutely 1,000%
Erin Cline 45:18
I've watched it just what should be an illegal number of times. Actually,
Ben Silverio 45:26
this goes for the entire Back to the Future trilogy, but I own it on just about every physical media you can I have it on Blu Ray, DVD, VHS, laser disc. I have them all digitally. I've seen them all in theaters, like, in multiple ways. It's just absolutely every chance you get. Please watch this movie. Please watch this franchise. It's like,
I mean, it boils down to them all being really fun. But like, these are, are examples of movies that are like, well, put together when you really like dissect them and take them apart and everything. Not only is each movie
showing a three act structure, with characters growing and changing throughout the movie, but the franchise is a three act story that unfolds that's just, oh man, it wasn't appreciated properly at the time. It wasn't appreciated until much later, but now that we know better, get on the fucking steam powered train. Yeah, for real. This is one of the first things, too, right? That like inspired, that like genre like this is like the train, and the way that it's designed, like that steampunk this, like these are campy movies that involve steampunk and like it is so crazy that it was so ahead of its time. All right, party people that does it for our review of back the Future Part Two,
you can find us on the internet. I am at B Silverio 20 on Instagram, X letter box, blue sky, all that stuff.
Erin Cline 47:09
You can find me at nydurgency on Instagram.
Ansel Burch 47:14
You can find me at the indecisionist on blue sky and all the meta properties. This has been an indecisionist production. Special thanks to April moralbo for our podcast art and to Marlon longit of Marlon and the shakes for our amazing theme song.
Ben Silverio 47:29
Yes, and if you still use social media platforms that have hashtags, you can use the hashtag time to party to join the conversation. That's time the number two party
Ansel Burch 47:40
as well as time the number two party all spelled out, just Warwick. Thanks, Warwick.
Ben Silverio 47:50
Yeah, we're gonna come back again for another episode on Back To The Future Part Two with next week's edutainment. So come back, friends.
You know, join us, won't you please? Because we love this movie, we love this franchise. We love having Aaron back. Hey, I'm so happy to be back. So let's, let's all, let's all hop in the DeLorean together and enjoy the time we have
until next time. Friends be excellent to each other
Erin Cline 48:27
party on dudes.
Ben Silverio 48:39
I'm surprised I remembered that score.
It wasn't something just canon and deep. Yeah, exactly that's saying you.
