Star Trek (2009): Part 2
Prepare yourselves to dive back in time for vengeance, shockingly patient vengeance, with Benton “Sancho” Sartore, Byron Czopek, and Ansel Burch. They’re pop culture observers/ zany podcasters/ excellent friends who have incredibly varied levels of attachment to this franchise and aren’t afraid to Spock about it.
This week we’re reviewing the movie and spoiling the heck out of every last poorly explained plot twist. Grab your headphones and “Take Us Out!”
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Episode Transcript
Ansel Burch 0:05
Hey, I'm Ansel Burch.
Byron Czopek 0:05
I'm Byron Czopek
Benton Sartore 0:07
And I am Benton Sancho Sartore
Ansel Burch 0:07
And It's Time to Party!
This month's episodes about the 2009 Star Trek movie were recorded on June 13 2023. We are not doctors we don't give medical advice. Please drink responsibly. We are here to talk about the 2009 JJ Abrams directed Star Trek. Not to be mistaken for all the other Star Trek.
Byron Czopek 0:33
The official title is Star Trek 2009 And I was on the poster. This new for every movie does that give you the title and the year so you remember where you were Wes egg to? Because Okay, 2009 Kirk can get away with being a you know, an asshole to women. And it's still fine because it's 2009
Ansel Burch 0:58
it was 2009 You're
Unknown Speaker 0:59
like a different time
Ansel Burch 1:00
no better no
Byron Czopek 1:05
we didn't know women just like to didn't like would you just come into a bar keep bugging them and then beat up their their Starfleet commanders
Ansel Burch 1:15
are weird. Yeah, that puts people on Yeah,
Byron Czopek 1:18
yeah, it puts it put people at but we didn't know how could we have known? Yeah.
Ansel Burch 1:23
Different time Rotten Tomatoes says aboard the USS Enterprise, the most sophisticated starship ever built a novice crew embarks on its maiden voyage. Their path takes them on a collision course with Nero Eric Bana, a Romulan commander whose mission of vengeance threatens all mankind. If humanity would survive a rebellious young officer named James T. Kirk, Chris Pine, and a coolly logical Vulcan named Spock, Zachary Quinto must move beyond their rivalry and find a way to defeat Nero before it is too late. This is more accurate I guess, than the IMDB one. But yeah, wow. Little overwrought if humanity would survive, I don't
Benton Sartore 2:12
I guess they do threatened Earth near the end. I don't I can't remember.
Ansel Burch 2:16
Yeah, they do. They do kind of as an afterthought. Yeah, it does feel like they were like oh, we actually we did it. Now what I guess we do
Benton Sartore 2:27
Earth now? Yeah.
Ansel Burch 2:29
Do we just keep going? Do
Benton Sartore 2:31
we just go off like 1000 start farming for a while.
Ansel Burch 2:36
We go back to Mining I guess is what their job was before.
Benton Sartore 2:41
Yeah. Go back to Romulus live like kings.
Ansel Burch 2:45
Yeah. Romulus, which by the way. He came all the way back for vengeance. Romulus is right there. All he had to do was be like, Yo, in a few years this thing's gonna happen. Don't job done. Job done. You you got for free the travel back in time and save the person who was most important to you thing. And you still wasted it on now? I gotta make sure that guy dies. That guy right there.
Byron Czopek 3:17
2025 years kill him. Yeah.
Benton Sartore 3:21
Anything at 25
Byron Czopek 3:22
years of vengeance.
Ansel Burch 3:27
During which time he did what? He just sat there and waited for years. Right? Like they must have a real good rec room on that spaceship. If in 25 years, none of the crew were like you know what? Fuck this
Benton Sartore 3:45
by I mean you've seen the wedding on that ship. They're all just brooding all the time.
Ansel Burch 3:49
Yeah, and why is it wet? Why is the one deck half underwater? Your knees in water to go torture that guy? What is going on?
Byron Czopek 4:00
The thing I loved most about their ship though. It was just pipes there was no drywall there was just like pipes JJ
Ansel Burch 4:08
could not decide what spaceships look like on the inside. Yeah, shit.
Byron Czopek 4:14
I'm glad I'm glad we're bringing this up because half of my notes is like why is there a boiler room on the Enterprise
Speaker 2 4:24
matter what is what is this point for?
Byron Czopek 4:29
Like in the future and we just like sit back realize you know what boiler rooms actually were pretty efficient. Let's go back to a he really liked
Ansel Burch 4:36
them. They're just like those. They just feel right. Yeah, cool. They're just they're nice.
Byron Czopek 4:41
I'm sure it was just a production meeting JJ just like pipes. We need pipes.
Ansel Burch 4:48
You know what's inside spaceships play pipes,
Byron Czopek 4:50
so many pipes.
Ansel Burch 4:52
Like every other Star Trek property, sleek walls, like carpeting not all on these no no. Just just exposed piping the only room with walls is the bridge and it looks like an iPhone store.
Byron Czopek 5:09
Eddie's that's our view there was a lot of pipes in this building
Ansel Burch 5:11
there's this that's the whole movement here if you're a plumber this movie
Byron Czopek 5:15
is right up your alley. Yeah, a plus
Ansel Burch 5:18
for plumbers a plus for top notch. How did you guys feel about starting with them? Well first off how did you feel about starting off with the the like space battle like right there in media Ray? Just no time to readjust to what you're doing just immediate cacophony of space battle was that what do you think of that? I wrote
Byron Czopek 5:40
big surprise another fucking ship opening up a sci fi movie
Ansel Burch 5:50
not a giant spaceship.
Unknown Speaker 5:52
Let's establish a system space everybody. You know, ya
Benton Sartore 5:56
gotta have lasers. There was I will admit, as I as I get older, and as I you know, I myself now a parent of two. I get a little tired of like the manipulation of like, oh, the childbirth seems more dramatic. Now. I'm like, okay, like, Okay, I realized that like trying to do a thing here, but like, ooh, child. Oh, yes. Yeah. Child and child endangerment. Like, thank you. I thought the same thing I'm tired of that isn't true.
Byron Czopek 6:21
It was like, Why is she having a baby right now? Like, in the middle of this attack? It's okay. And then the other thing, the hack the hacky move. I wrote how much JJ Abrams is a hack. This is why I think he's a hack. She's pushing the baby. They push the spaceship out the dock.
Benton Sartore 6:40
Yep. Yeah, I was. I be interested baby out in like five minutes.
Byron Czopek 6:46
Yeah. Not. Five minutes. Yes. The five minutes. Well, how long was she in labor for? We don't we don't? Exactly We don't know. Still, still, yeah, it was definitely it was it was hacky it.
Ansel Burch 7:03
Giving birth in the future is very different, apparently. Much more efficient.
Benton Sartore 7:10
I know. We got to do the whole like, this is how James Kirk was born. And you know, his father's great sacrifice and everything like that. But like, is that like? Yeah,
Byron Czopek 7:18
is that the origin story? Like the Canon origin story of Kirk?
Ansel Burch 7:22
Not originally? No, this is a totally new thing.
Benton Sartore 7:28
So, like a superstar trek nerd. You're watching this for the first time and either like, either your head's exploding because you're like, This isn't how it happened. Or you're just like, Oh, hey there,
Byron Czopek 7:39
or you're me. And you're like, oh, that's how it happened.
Ansel Burch 7:44
Yeah, as a as a Star Trek nerd. On all alone that I think for me, it was both at the same time, somehow managed to like ride that that line of like, okay, it's Star Trek. This is dope as hell. That's not how that goes. But okay. All right. Sure. Because, yeah, like, I don't remember ever hearing about Kirk's dad. Being in Starfleet. I don't remember anything about his dad being his inspiration or any shit before that. Like, I don't think that was in there. I've watched the whole thing. And I don't remember him talking about his dad. At all. Maybe it was in the books. But yeah. What it was though. That's true. The books aren't canon. But yeah, so it was super interesting to a have the change be that his dad dies on a spaceship but also, I'm pretty sure his pressure Kirk was born in Iowa in the official canon is like he he was born on land on Earth in Iowa. So having him be born on the spaceship at all is is a change. I wouldn't swear to that. But I I don't recall that
Benton Sartore 9:05
being a thing. I truly don't know enough about Star Trek to know anything about how Kirk was born.
Ansel Burch 9:10
Yeah. But regardless of whether or not it's canon, it's, it is it is little hacky to be like, okay, good. Let's endanger the baby so that we have a reason to sacrifice ourselves.
Byron Czopek 9:23
Honestly at that at that moment, when she goes to labor while he's working. And he cannot get away from work.
Unknown Speaker 9:30
Like you didn't have like a
Byron Czopek 9:33
plan and have like a bear guy and be like, Okay, you take over in the event. This guy's got
Benton Sartore 9:42
extenuating circumstances.
Ansel Burch 9:44
Yeah, yeah, right. Unhappy Jerry who's got no family familial attachments. That's the guy who needs to drive the spaceship into the other spaceship. Yeah. Yeah, very, very interesting choices all around on that. One
Benton Sartore 10:02
I mean, I get it like I'm not like bad about I'm like, okay, like this is just you know this is
Ansel Burch 10:09
yeah, it's a bit much it's a bit much yeah. And then I mean obviously from there we go into the childhood bits. We don't have to go through the whole movie but so what did you guys think of the of the thing overall like how did you how did you think about his the the like structure that Abrams went through and all of that business being as you are both pop culture observers and structuralists, given
Benton Sartore 10:36
how quickly he joins, he joined Starfleet. I I'm very curious. I wish I'd been a little bit more about like, so what was keeping him from doing that in the first place? Right? Like Pike is just like, hey, you should join Starfleet? Your dad was a captain in Kirk already knew that's what why did that provoke him to completely upend his life and enlist in like the course of less than 24 hours?
Ansel Burch 11:02
It's a good question. Also, apparently there's there's no paperwork to join Starfleet.
Benton Sartore 11:08
It's okay. He's a legacy.
Ansel Burch 11:10
I guess. Who's
Byron Czopek 11:15
Yeah, cuz he just showed up there it is in like, dirty clothes. Like everybody else is in there. Christine?
Ansel Burch 11:22
Like got blood on him from the night before?
Benton Sartore 11:25
Yeah, yeah, he's just like, I didn't need like I I'm well aware that I'm, I'm a nerd. And I like having explanations for things sometimes. But just I don't know. It was never really clear to me like what was keeping him on Earth other than just like stubbornness which I guess might be enough I mean, given the character
Ansel Burch 11:43
I think it would have been interesting if it was like space killed my dad I don't want to go to space or if there had been like, conflict there or or if we establish any point that he's like, Yeah, my dad died so that we could all live in space or whatever. But to have him make neither of those choices. without prompting is I don't know Yeah, Odd. Odd Yeah. I mean, it's not as though he's he shows no opinion either way. Like why is he in the Starfleet bar? At the beginning if unless he's waiting for somebody to be like you know, kid you should join Starfleet
Benton Sartore 12:30
Shut up You're not my dad.
Ansel Burch 12:34
I know I wrote my dissertation about him but I am going to forget some key details later on. So that you can bring them up
Byron Czopek 12:43
sushi i i think the other movie too has this like It's like action sequence action sequence action sequence action sequence and then eventually it's just like oh yeah, we gotta be to like about like an hour like after about an hour I think I wrote I've got another fucking hour left for this dammit why? Because the whole time I was sitting there thinking like well that's just a bunch of X sequences so this should be a pretty easy watch just Fast and the Furious hours watching stuff blow up Yeah, exactly. That's all you know that laid it at late at night when my after my kids go to sleep but like because I watched it after like take care of them pretty much all day and I'm just like sitting back and I'm just kind of like yeah just watch bunch action sequences that like a plot starts showing up show me this really got rid of this just do some action sequences to get that green lady back which I think they did the Green Lady rug because they really liked the first time you see her like in the dorm room and everything like you know the makeup side point everything every time other time you see her they just like they just slapped greed paid on our faces go back out there. It was a really slick like the paint was melting
Ansel Burch 14:02
in there at all was a weird choice. Because like, Okay, going back to as one of the two Star Trek nerds in the conversation via Ryan's which is what she is. We're like super sketchy Space Pirates at this point in canon history. To the point where like, we only ever see a Ryan's as villains. until way later in canon.
Benton Sartore 14:35
There could be some other green skin. Humanoid alien species,
Ansel Burch 14:41
I suppose.
Benton Sartore 14:45
There could. Yeah, I think it's just a tie in to the original series. Oh, yeah,
Ansel Burch 14:49
for sure for I mean, and I can't be too mad that like, oh, they put an Orion in my Star Trek movie. But it was just as the wrong
Benton Sartore 14:58
kind of nerd thing.
Byron Czopek 15:00
But this is, this is how Trump does. Trump gets elected. Putting her eye on him I start these woke this woke Star Trek I don't like which is funny because Star Trek was always kind of joke. Isn't that everybody that was explicitly
Ansel Burch 15:19
the point. That's why Lucille Ball was like, Yes, this is what I will pay for wokeness in space.
Benton Sartore 15:30
I do think it's a fun movie. I don't think it's as cerebral as like, Star Trek, other better outings, you know, Wrath of Khan voyage home, I'm just gonna country. First Contact. But I mean, it is a fun movie. And that counts for something. It's a popcorn movie. And like, that's okay. Like, it doesn't have to be like, you know, analyzing, you know, the end of the Cold War through the view of Federation Klingons or something like that, or that kind of thing. I think it's a fun movie. I think it brought people into the theater and got people excited. It felt it felt right. It didn't feel like it is a very action II movie. But I it feels like, kind of generally optimistic. Like it's not like a grim and gritty movie where like, bad things happen all the time or that kind of thing like it. Yeah, it's it's a fun, it's, it said like, hey, Star Trek's back like we're rebooting this or new new people want to see.
Ansel Burch 16:31
And it did legitimately are the next energy of star. Yeah, it did legitimately put new energy into the franchise like, yeah, I don't think we would have any of the Star Trek we have today in this golden era of Star Trek. If it weren't for these movies, sort of breathing new life into the whole thing and showing us that it can be fast and sexy and full of explosions again.
Byron Czopek 16:52
Yes. And JJ wouldn't have gotten the Star Wars job. Yeah, that's
Benton Sartore 16:57
also true.
Ansel Burch 16:58
I watched I forget if it was the pitch meeting or How It Should Have Ended for this. And they talked about how this was basically just JH is start Star Wars demo reel. And they they show like side by side comparisons of like eight different scenes from Star Wars and this movie like the I believe the escape the desert planet, like so many things.
Byron Czopek 17:26
That was the whole thing. I was thinking this whole time I was watching it because every time they would introduce like Scotty or they would introduce like Sue law or something it would be it'd be like, oh, yeah, that's how they did it in the in the Star Wars movie. So you like turn the camera on? Oh, there's three po and all your other
Ansel Burch 17:43
brief inexplicably pause while we all go?
Byron Czopek 17:46
Yeah, exactly. Oh, doctor, damn it, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
Ansel Burch 17:53
I'm giving her a little she's got yay.
Byron Czopek 17:56
Yeah. Yay. And when Spock went live long and prosper. Back, you know, like, yeah, you want that kind of reaction?
Benton Sartore 18:11
I will say they made the right choice. They bring back letter E wait for this movie. Yeah, it was one of the few still surviving cast members at that point. And that number is even lower these days. But I mean, I don't think it would have worked with like William Shatner, or anybody else. Really.
Ansel Burch 18:29
I feel like Shatner could have handed it off to the next generation. And we all would have bought it if Shatner had been in the mood to do so. But you're right. Like Nimoy was the heart and soul of Star Trek for a long time. So much of Star Trek lore centers around Spock. And, you know, he really was the, the, the signature we needed on this was Nimoy. Yeah.
Benton Sartore 18:55
Nemo has the gravitas to like really sell like, yeah, like this is a passing of the torch. Yeah.
Byron Czopek 19:03
I think the best part too is when they go. We're looking for this guy. They just like throw like a floating 100 D boy had sent around. Yes. That made me let
Ansel Burch 19:18
What's the weirdest way to do that? I mean, this. How do we show that these people are from a farther distant future than these other people who are from the future? They throw their holograms in the air. That's how we know. Like the guy who's this guy? Well, I don't
Byron Czopek 19:39
it's just like it just like it like back and forth randomly.
Ansel Burch 19:44
All of the Romulans are way too close. Working on technology reason. Yeah, they don't know how to video call.
Speaker 3 19:50
We're still working on this guys. All right. Eventually, it'll get a three full 360 round, but let's use your imagination.
Ansel Burch 19:57
It's on our roads down the road. Have a look bro where miners not media journalists look
Byron Czopek 20:06
FY 2023 will turn around you for maybe Safe Harbor don't make any any purchasing decisions based on you know what we're talking about the future may come based on what we have currently
Ansel Burch 20:21
the corporate speak oh right in my right and my my agile heart Byron as as a first time person or as watching this movie for the first time and not being like a huge Star Trek nerd. Did it all make sense?
Unknown Speaker 20:44
No
Byron Czopek 20:49
no, but then again,
Ansel Burch 20:50
I mean they didn't make it for you in fairness but
Byron Czopek 20:55
Yeah, listen, there were no there were no Lucha Libre.
Unknown Speaker 21:00
There was no
Byron Czopek 21:03
there was no like, you know, 10 part documentary on the bowls. There was no. What other things am I interested in? There was no there was no talk about how COVID Damn it
Benton Sartore 21:20
so another five minutes we're not gonna be able to use the last dance was good, though. So I've heard Yeah, it was very serious.
Byron Czopek 21:28
Yeah, unfortunately does not have time travels. We can't talk about it.
Ansel Burch 21:32
It's like traveling back to the right. For whatever the hell it was. 93
Byron Czopek 21:38
like Michael Jordan gotten it did Lloyd said, Listen, don't bother for five years for good. Five years ago. Phil gets here. It's built Jackson, by the way for you.
Ansel Burch 21:53
For the nerds who don't know that which
Byron Czopek 21:54
I share a birthday with i Yeah, share a birthday with Phil Jackson. Oh, it's made me so happy. Yeah, that's a fun
Ansel Burch 22:01
fact. Yeah,
Benton Sartore 22:02
I think the plot of the movie is alright. I think it's straightforward. Relatively straightforward. As much as a time travel movie can be as good as you can do. Yeah, really?
Unknown Speaker 22:09
Yeah.
Benton Sartore 22:10
I appreciate that. They hit that I thought they held it close to their vest, that this was actually a reboot, not just a prequel. So I walked into the movie I saw it's in the theater. And thinking is gonna be a prequel. And then and then they destroy Vulcan. And I'm like, wait, they go to Vulcan in the third movie? Oh, they're redoing the timeline. This is this is a reboot, not just not just a prequel.
Ansel Burch 22:33
I appreciate that they went to the trouble of having Leonard Nimoy explain to us the nerds at home. This is in fact a different timeline. Everything from here on is different. Don't worry about it. He he may have been looking at Zachary Quinto when he said it, but he said it to me.
Benton Sartore 22:54
Yeah, and like yeah, it's a decent it's a decent enough frame for like a mostly an action movie. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you're
Ansel Burch 23:03
gonna make Fast and the Furious in space. You did it like, yeah, yeah, it was. I don't think it was a like a great Star Trek movie. But it was an awesome Star Trek movie, if you take my meaning.
Byron Czopek 23:19
It was it was it was one of those movies that's constantly moving. Like you're constantly moving, moving, moving, going through. It's not like you're, like staying in one spot the entire time, which, which yet, does lend really well for like a big, you know, kind of action movie. Like I was, like I mentioned, I watched this projector in my backyard. And the first thing I was like, I'm glad I watched it this way. Because if I just watched it on my TV, I would have been I probably wouldn't have gotten this sucked in as I did during those first you know, action sequences.
Ansel Burch 23:52
And boy action sequences that JJ knows how to do those. I I kind of forget about that in amongst all of the like, I can't do make a movie that doesn't have a red ball of goo or lens flares in it or a mystery box or mystery boxes. Yeah, I guess not in this one. No. Yeah. He held it and held himself back on the mystery box for this one. Unless Spock himself is the mystery box.
Byron Czopek 24:21
He's a mystery wrapped in an enigma. You really think about it with Spock? Spock is such an enigmatic character like the whole time I'm like, Man, I wish Spock was my boss. And then I'm like maybe maybe actually is my boss because part of my boss having Spock like tendencies of like well this is not the most logical thing and like you know you're right. Let's do a different
Ansel Burch 24:45
How about getting Wynonna writer in this movie? That was a that was a surprise. The first time I watched it.
Byron Czopek 24:51
Okay. I clearly was not watching this movie because I didn't know where she Where did she show up? But she's Spock's mom. Yes. Okay. All right. Oh, yeah. No wonder like Spock's mom was like, he was some about her. I like, yeah. Turns out she was Winona Ryder the whole time.
Ansel Burch 25:08
You did immediately have an attachment Yeah, I know you
Byron Czopek 25:12
from from that robbery. You did that one time did she steal something from like a department stores? Yeah,
Ansel Burch 25:22
she did. Yeah, there was a
Byron Czopek 25:24
everybody was just like how could she come back from this? It's like shoplifting. There's there's so many people didn't realize how much worse different times there were times when we could make a look terrible about yourself for a thing like shoplifting. Yet Harvey Weinstein was running wild. I'm gonna make this pie. Comfortable as humanly possible. So so let's talk about his COVID hoax.
Unknown Speaker 25:59
It was beta lab.
Ansel Burch 26:02
We're like 20 minutes away from 911 conspiracies.
Benton Sartore 26:06
Speaking of 911. So, oh, I liked this movie. I liked it. When I first saw it. I like it when I watch it. Now. I will admit I it has been tarnished for me a bit. I feel like the promise of this movie that's a bold new era of Star Trek is it didn't really mean it. It led to like a whole bunch of new Star Trek shows what the promise of like this specifically, I would say didn't
Byron Czopek 26:35
wait, how does this relate to 911?
Benton Sartore 26:39
About until the more recent show strange new worlds is basically the ventures of the enterprise before Kirk was there. Which I would just like the one show that I'm like, Oh, yes, for sure. And I'll watch the show every week.
Ansel Burch 26:52
It's stunning. But by the time this episode airs, they will be a few episodes into the season. If you haven't been watching it, you should. It's incredible.
Benton Sartore 26:59
Nice. It's a well done show. But anyways, getting back to the 911 part, I think is a perfectly fine movie. I think the sequel to this really stung and really kind of affected how I saw the Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto JJ Abrams Star Trek series in that it was a darker movie, it was it felt very much about a movie about like 911 conspiracy theories. And like kind of 911 was an inside job sort of thing. Like because the movie is about like a terrorist attack. That's like an inside job in the in Starfleet. And it's kind of playing with a lot of those narratives and everything. And it's just not a very good movie it's trying to be it's trying to be very reverent to Star Trek to Wrath of Khan just like it was a very good movie and a movie that I really enjoyed. And it was trying so hard to like, mimic that movie that it's got to tell any kind of story of its own. I felt I felt like Into Darkness just really, really sink my opinion until the rest of rest of the series. The third one's perfect beyond is perfectly delightful. I think it's I think neither super good nor super bad. I didn't want to start the one time I don't remember very well. And at that point, I was soured by into darkness. But I also I will admit, I saw into darkness on a screen that was like, just like the video was just slightly off. So like it was just a little more blurry than it should have been. But yeah, I think the fact that the sequel to this like just kind of did not fulfill the promise of what this movie was was heralding. In retrospect, like kind of hurt this movie for me a bit. So I think it's a perfectly fine movie, but I don't remember it as fondly as I think I would if I had never seen the sequel.
Ansel Burch 28:51
Yeah, if it weren't for into darkness, I can see that Into Darkness soured a lot of people on the series. And I mean, to the point where they had to course correct with with beyond and and did successfully I think but yeah, like,
Benton Sartore 29:06
probably beyond two is that by that by that point. Leonard Nimoy had died and then after beyond finished filming Anton Yelchin died yeah which didn't help things not at
Ansel Burch 29:15
all but yeah, yeah beyond into darkness I think you're absolutely right made a lot of mistakes in tone in choosing to tell a 911 ish story
Benton Sartore 29:32
in trying too hard to be to copy Wrath of Khan that doesn't even make sense within the movie.
Ansel Burch 29:39
Well, and to have con like, here's the thing that that I think could have fixed this whole trilogy.
Benton Sartore 29:45
But Byron is sitting here very patiently cuz we're talking about movie he has actually seen Yeah, right. equal to what you just saw for the first time.
Byron Czopek 29:53
Well, yeah, I just, I'm just doing my I'm just here by law. All right, what else in here of like, oh, you know, I
Ansel Burch 30:01
gotta Oh, we are out of the mills. But the thing that this trilogy could have done to make everything a million times better, is just come up with new names. This did not have to be the Kirk and Spock and Chekhov show. These could have been totally new characters in the Star Trek universe. And I think it would have been easier to tell. You could still have Spock travel back in time. That's not, you know, that's allowed. And then to have con again, in the second one inexplicably played so differently, for no apparent reason.
Benton Sartore 30:56
I think it was an act of enormous hubris to say we are going to try to remake probably the most beloved Star Trek movies.
Ansel Burch 31:03
I mean, aside from aside from voyage home, but yeah,
Benton Sartore 31:09
I want to see that remake with Chris Pine and Zachary Quinto where they have to go save the whales in the 1980s Yes, please yes, it's not even a joke fire it's a movie where they go back in time and save the whales it's
Ansel Burch 31:19
great they fly their spaceship back in time.
Benton Sartore 31:28
I gotta say Yeah.
Byron Czopek 31:31
Was very nervous when they were like running out of ideas so they were like let's let's whales
Ansel Burch 31:36
I don't know but they pulled it off. Oh, it's so good
Benton Sartore 31:42
it's a very silly movie but it works yeah, yeah.
Byron Czopek 31:46
It's like their it's like their rocky five where they just
Ansel Burch 31:50
what have we not done?
Byron Czopek 31:52
Or like listen, Rockies. What if rocky just doesn't fight in the coaches. But then the guy doesn't like being coached and then they fight in a parking lot and that's the end of the movie Oh, so you're spoiled rocky five for everybody here that
Ansel Burch 32:12
you know what if if you didn't know how rocky five ends you probably didn't care enough
Byron Czopek 32:22
was rocky five now you only thing people do not like to admit there is a rocky
Ansel Burch 32:29
if I'm honest, this might be the first time hearing Godfather
Byron Czopek 32:31
three they don't
Benton Sartore 32:32
want to admit that one either talk about the godfather.
Unknown Speaker 32:37
No, we don't that
Ansel Burch 32:38
didn't happen. Wasn't it wasn't a thing. Yeah. Any closing thoughts on like, how you how you thought the movie ended? How you thought the the anything about the cinematography or other other things that are your particular twigs
Byron Czopek 32:57
that the guy loved was old Spock, young Spock ready to do each other? And young Spock so I gotta I gotta. I gotta leave. I gotta, you know, take care of the Vulcans and old sparks like No, that's okay. Well, we'll repopulate. And I'm like wait is old Spock just go back to like, yep, just bang it out. Why is he making guns? Fuck. He's like, Oh no, you're gonna have a lot of fun there with Kirk. Like, he was totally just like oh no, don't worry about it and then like the movie I think should have ended when they do that crane shot up and like old Spock's look at over. Like over everybody. He's just like, he looks in the camera goes well. Yeah, go home and fuck now and it's like and then it's like did it did it do do they do the Star Wars I want to direct the blue credit Senate to the theater like what did I just watch?
Ansel Burch 34:10
Old Spock? High fives Chewbacca spot.
Unknown Speaker 34:13
Let her do D letter D boys gonna fuck and we
Byron Czopek 34:22
owe it what? Do we put a QR code at the end like that just says, Hey girl, and then like you click the QR code.
Ansel Burch 34:31
Vulcan only fans?
Byron Czopek 34:34
Yep, Vulcan only fans. How about you?
Benton Sartore 34:42
Ah, yeah, I don't really have much to add the mountain thoughts about how it kind of fits into the great continuum Star Trek movies. I mean, I think it's a perfectly fine movie. I again, I've talked about sequel already. I mean, there have been so many Star Trek, time travel stories. This is I mean, the villain is completely forgettable. And this one. I think he's just there to drive the plots. Yep. I think it's a fun movie. Like I said, I think it's a movie you can you can show to somebody who's not really a Star Trek person, like fire in here and be like, okay, like I I get enough of this to follow along with it and I have fun with it. I think that's its mission. I think it does a very good job of that.
Ansel Burch 35:22
What did you think of the time travel before we call it a night on the on the on the review? What did you think of the time travel? Byron,
Byron Czopek 35:31
I still don't understand it. So. So old Spock. What into it was red goo like it's
Ansel Burch 35:40
a real good question. They never really explained that part. And they
Byron Czopek 35:44
goes back the Yeah, because it was just like, obviously, they saw red goo goo everywhere. And I'm like, What is this
Benton Sartore 35:50
wasn't like the red goo was supposed to, like stabilize the supernova by doesn't do it in time or something. Yeah, that was what they said interacts and just goes back in time or something. Yeah. Also, if you
Ansel Burch 36:01
only use the red goo in individual droplets, why did they give him so much of it? Just an egregious amount of this. Clearly dangerous material?
Benton Sartore 36:15
It tastes great. And coffee?
Ansel Burch 36:16
Maybe? Apparently, this red goo also featured in alias which is yes. So it's a J Abrams original.
Benton Sartore 36:28
It it did not cost time travel in that TV show. But it did some weird things. I think I don't remember all of it. I don't know what to do some not time travel, but other weird stuff. So man, that was a lifetime ago.
Ansel Burch 36:40
But yeah, so So the, the nickel version is he the the goo is supposed to turn the the star the exploding star inside out basically, so that it won't blow up the planets that are around it. And he doesn't do it in time. So it creates a black hole. And that's somehow turned sends them back in time. Apparently.
Benton Sartore 37:08
That's how it goes. Yeah,
Ansel Burch 37:09
yeah. Yeah, you do it. If a if a black hole opens up near you, and you get sucked in. You travel through time. Clearly.
Benton Sartore 37:18
It's an interstellar clearly it's hard science. Yep.
Ansel Burch 37:21
Yep. And so because Nero got sucked through first, there was a time delay between the two of them appearing in the past. And that's why that happened. I guess. So yeah, it. It is an interesting time travel mechanism to say the least.
Benton Sartore 37:46
The movie does not care. I don't think it's like, the fourth thing is that it happens. Yep.
Ansel Burch 37:50
We need someone to be mad at Spock and we need Spock to go back in time. Those are the two key pieces. So guys, now that we've talked about the movie, do you think that Star Trek was worth your time?
Byron Czopek 38:04
It was worth my time and that I got to talk to you guys. I would have never watched this movie otherwise. I didn't even realize this was a movie to be brutally honest.
Ansel Burch 38:15
How about you, Benjamin? What was this movie worth your time?
Benton Sartore 38:20
I mean, I didn't finish it on this viewing just because of trying to cram it in with all the things I've been trying to do. Yeah, I think it's worth my time. Yes. Yes. I think it's a fun movie. Like I said, it's a fun escape. It's not a it's not a it's not a deep thinker, but that's okay. Yeah, not everything has to
Ansel Burch 38:39
be exactly especially especially taking us back to that more simple era of Star Trek 2009
Byron Czopek 38:47
it definitely felt like like of what I've seen of the old TV show it felt like it like it had a little bit of a campy kind of vibe to it. Which I did appreciate
Ansel Burch 38:56
played like all the like highlight reels of the of the original series the original series had a lot of like cerebral weirdness and philosophy and digging into the nature of man but that stuff doesn't make it into the clip reels and this was just the clip reels
Byron Czopek 39:16
This is shut up and
Ansel Burch 39:17
play exactly right yeah, we we come here to see you do a jazz improvisational set
Byron Czopek 39:25
we I think from the new album we just want Piano Man we just won't Piano Man we want goodbye yellow brick road and we want Freebird
Ansel Burch 39:38
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Benton Sartore 40:15
be excellent to each other
Byron Czopek 40:15
party on dudes
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