Terminator 2: Part 3

It’s time to make new friends and reconnect with estranged family members with Warwick Johnson, Ben Silverio, and Ansel Burch. They’re pop culture observers/ zany podcasters/ excellent friends who told you they’d be back. This time, discussing the amazing cultural touchstone of Terminator 2!

Here comes a wave of information but no need to get a life jacket. Just grab your inner tube and hang on for the lazy river of edutainment that’s coming your way. Warwick and Ben are here to talk about some of the stuff that jumped out at them while watching Terminator 2, specifically atomic bombs and radio-controlled cars. Delightfully random!

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Episode Transcript

Ben Silverio 0:04

Hey, I'm Ben Silverio

Warwick Johnson 0:06

I'm Warwick Johnson

Ansel Burch 0:07

I'm Ansel Burch, your host in post, and it's time to today's episode about Terminator two that was recorded on January 7 2023. We are not doctors we don't give medical advice Please drink responsibly.

Ben Silverio 0:24

What comes next after that bit and the score

Warwick Johnson 0:28

that's it? That's all I got.

Ben Silverio 0:29

That's the whole score and score.

Warwick Johnson 0:31

No, it does not like it there's like, strange parts. Yeah, but there's like, there's like a haunting instrumental part in the middle I think is the best way that I have to phrase

Ben Silverio 0:52

I don't know why but I thought of the Game of Thrones theme. At the

Warwick Johnson 0:56

moment it's it's not too dissimilar

Ben Silverio 0:59

party people. Welcome back for the seminal sci fi classic T to judgment day.

Warwick Johnson 1:09

Birth of Finn Balor Oh, it's not that yeah, that judgement day. Different. What's that? I'm getting. I'm getting I'm getting I'm getting a note in my ear. Oh, this it's not. It's not the one with Rhea Ripley. Okay. It's a different Judgment Day.

Ben Silverio 1:29

I mean, if James Cameron knows what's good for him, he'll put directly in the next Terminator.

Warwick Johnson 1:33

I edutainment is the WWE faction Judgment Day.

Ben Silverio 1:41

A brief history

Warwick Johnson 1:43

for like six months,

Ben Silverio 1:45

pretty much I mean, even before that one it was edge. Like that wasn't even that long ago.

Warwick Johnson 1:53

Yes, that's true. Yeah,

Ben Silverio 1:55

but now Dominic Mysterio has been in in prison. That changes a mask.

Warwick Johnson 2:03

So ya know, What movie are we entertaining today?

Ben Silverio 2:08

Right? Yes, as usual with our third episode of the month, we like to give back to you our glorious listeners by providing you with some edutainment. Just imagine that I'm doing the hand symbol for whatever you think that sounds like. You know, edutainment edge. You

Warwick Johnson 2:32

O'Kane meant,

Ben Silverio 2:34

why you got to speak with air quotes. Our edutainment episode is where we take an extremely shallow dive into some topic that was inspired by the movie that we watched. We like to call it our lazy river of information because you know we're not diving in the deep end. We're not no we're not wading into the shallow No, we're

Warwick Johnson 3:03

just sitting here in pool drinking beers and peeing in the water of his

Ben Silverio 3:07

and sometimes going on way longer than we probably should just like elite just like a lazy river. Just like lazy river. So if you don't know about Terminator two Judgment Day, the James Cameron classic. That's what you say Right? James Cameron?

Warwick Johnson 3:26

James camera, onion rings,

Ben Silverio 3:29

or drinks. You got to stop talking about food before I've had dinner, because that's not great. But our good friends at Rotten Tomatoes give us this information in this sequel set 11 years after the Terminator, young John Connor played by Edward Furlong. The key to civilizations victory over a future robot uprising is the target of the shape shifting t 1000. Robert Patrick, a terminator sent from the future to kill him. Another Terminator The revamped T 800 Arnold Schwarzenegger has been set back to protect the boy as John and his mother, Linda Hamilton. Go on the run with the T 800. The boy forms an unexpected bond with the robots. Yeah. If you'd like to hear our thoughts about the movie, you can go ahead and listen to the second episode. If you'd like to drink and smoke and whatever along while you're watching the movie, you can go back to our first episode. And if you want to hear us talk about the original Terminator movie, you can go back to our very first episode ever. Which was

Warwick Johnson 4:49

January 2020. Oh boy. Oh, that is that's that's gonna be rough to go back.

Ben Silverio 4:58

Yeah, don't you remember war if you were there? Yeah, I

Warwick Johnson 4:59

was. They're for the Terminator. Now when I remember when we did Terminator one, we had a spirited discussion about the role of machines in the future. Wait, I don't know what that voice was. That was my word didn't do Terminator. One episode was

Ben Silverio 5:18

a spoiler, parrot, and Clive and I were the ones who talked

Warwick Johnson 5:23

about she's not here, so I get all the credit. Maha there it is. Yes, we had a very, I think we had a very fun discussion about Terminator two. In last week's episodes, definitely go back and listen to that. But first, absolutely. Watch the movie plays and drain games along with that. And honestly, even if you just watched it, watch it again. It's great. It's on HBO. Max. You don't even have to like, go out of your way to watch it. So you should for sure do it.

Ben Silverio 5:52

And interesting fact. Terminator two judgment day is the only Terminator movie on HBO max right now. Yes. Which is weird. None. None of the other ones

Warwick Johnson 6:02

are they don't have that washed dog turd of Terminator Genesis on there. So don't worry.

Ben Silverio 6:09

If you need your Jai Courtney effects, you have to go to the Suicide Squad or Suicide Squad? Yeah, but who wants to go to that one? No one at all? No, I remember when I rewatched it recently, and it's still shit.

Warwick Johnson 6:21

And I left in like the middle of it. Because I was like, Man, I don't want to watch the rest of this movie. I just went to bed. Yes,

Ben Silverio 6:28

it's it's bad. It's

Warwick Johnson 6:30

bad. You know? It's not bad, though. Terminator two judgment day to Tokyo Drift to

Ben Silverio 6:39

So, so Warwick. For your entertainment section. Were there any other options that you might have gone with?

Warwick Johnson 6:48

Um, there were I mean, there were two two other things that I was thinking about. I had thought about pump action shotguns, but that is something that was covered in the edutainment episode of Terminator one. So please go back and listen to that one. So I thought about that. And the other thing that I had thought about was Mercury specifically because it was a liquid metal, which is what the terminators Oh, so I'd thought about Yeah, and the applications of mercury. And then I decided now that I don't want to do that, and so I didn't choose it.

Ben Silverio 7:23

Yeah, I found it difficult to pick an edge edutainment topic for this movie because it's like if it's not a machine of some kind. It's far beyond my comprehension level. But also the the the the pace at which the movie is going is like keeping you so like focused on what the Connors and the TA 100 are doing. It's it's hard to it

Warwick Johnson 7:49

is an edge of your ass thrill ride that just does not let up for sure.

Ben Silverio 7:54

It's true. Cuz I mean, like, what are you going to do? Like I thought for a second about pool tables. I had considered shotguns and then I remember that I did shotguns already. I was just gonna replay the audio from that.

Warwick Johnson 8:10

You got the canal of from Los Angeles that you talk about that?

Ben Silverio 8:17

I almost picked the Terminator. 3d ride out not ride but attraction.

Warwick Johnson 8:24

There's the history of bullies. I guess we could tell you could talk about that. It's unbelievable.

Ben Silverio 8:33

believable. But I also thought about doing video game cabinets aren't like Yeah, exactly. I went a different route, though. What I ended up going with is such a minuscule part of the moving. Such a stretch. So if you recall, when we meet the Dyson's in their home, miles his son is playing with a remote control car.

Warwick Johnson 9:15

That is true.

Ben Silverio 9:17

You see the car for a second it goes off the stairs and then all of a sudden Linda Linda Hamilton is trying to kill the whole family. So it's, it's not it doesn't spend a lot of time on screen, but the remote control car definitely leaves an impact on you. Right. So that's what I've decided to go into for my educated edutainment topic this month. But hey, fun fact. Did you know that remote control airplanes and boats existed before remote control cars? Huh? Right here from my very limited research, I learned that the remote control planes were around like, as, as early as the late 1800s, when they were filled with hydrogen, and they were used as, like, acts or like filler parts of performances and musicals, and I was just like, Oh, interesting. The planes were first. And then remote control boats came into popularity in 1898. So just okay. Yeah, it was interesting that I found out exactly year for the boats as opposed to the plane, but I have an exact date for the cars as well. But first, we, we have been I don't want to say coming down hard on America. Because you know, we, we live here, we we appreciate most of it,

Warwick Johnson 11:20

right? does deserve it sometimes. But yes, good quirks.

Ben Silverio 11:23

Yeah. And here's a quirk. It's. So in the early 1950s. The when Mac toy company produced a cast aluminum gas engine powered in the Tethered car, called the when Mac auto might. But by the time the November 19 1965, issue of Life magazine came out the Ford Motor Company company, advertised and exclusive, you know, both of you that I am Toy Collector and exclusive is as a is a great thing. So Life magazine was promoting an exclusive Ford Motor Company conversion kit for this when Mac auto bytes, priced at $4.95. It's it changed the gas powered engine to an electric one. And it also had a remote control throttle that could be ordered. But notice that I said remote control and not radio control. Because even though they were kind of advertising this as like a remote control toy, it wasn't because it was attached to a a tether on a on a pole. You know, so leave it to America to get your hopes up. And then dash them right away because in reality the first remote control cars became available in Europe in 1966. The first remote control car was nitro powered, and it was created by the Italian electronics company called electronica. Gio could totally. I probably murdered that. Yeah, right. So this fuel that powered these cars. They call it Nitro. But it was a special blend of nitrogen, methanol and lubricants. The rights the first cars to be made into remote control cars were Ferraris and Porsches. No sorry, Ferraris and Lamborghinis. They were the first remote control cars.

Warwick Johnson 14:27

That makes sense. That's fun.

Ben Silverio 14:29

And it wasn't until the 70s that these nitro powered cars were more widely produced as electric cars. That evolution was thanks to a Japanese company called Tamia and their first electric on road remote control cars, because off road didn't come into play until later. Their first onroad RC cars were modeled after a Porsche, the Porsche 934 in 1976. And they were at a 112 scale of life size. So I've mentioned off road cars, and the the golden era of remote control cars came about in the 1970s, like late 1970s 1979, until the early 1980s. At that time, the off road electric cars had become the preferred RC car. I made note of this because the names are super fun. The Tamiya Company released the frog, the Hornet and the Grasshopper as, as the like of the regular cars. And the monster truck models were the Blackfoot and the clod Buster awesome. Right before the off road vehicles became where it was at, in 1979. The first the world's first 118 scale on road gas championship meeting like the first event to grab the best remote control on road racer was held in Geneva where Phil booth won the world championship. And I made note of that, because I initially read that as Phil Brooks. And if CM Punk is racing, RC cars now after his wrestling career is done, that will be funny. From what I understand, there were various model kits that you could like upgrade. And if I if I took in the information correctly. I'm I'm I'm guessing that they use those kits to like upgrade their cars from the factory models. But you know, even if they're just racing these cars, as is out of the box, that's still kind of fun that they they had to go all the way to Geneva for a world championship. Another interesting fact that I found was this is so dumb. I cannot believe I wrote this down as a thing. But so the batteries that power electric remote control cars, do you want to guess what they tested these metals on? To make them work properly? For ROG muscles? Yeah, on literally, of all the things to test this shit on frogs. In the article in one of the articles that I was reading, this fun fact comes up by itself with no elaboration. It just says the battery was developed by testing metals on frog muscles.

Warwick Johnson 18:30

Fun fact fun fact.

Ben Silverio 18:34

So back in the day, you know, it was it was more about it seemed like it was more about having fun with these things. Because now remote control cars are all about like, performance and you know, speed and things like that. So, as usual things get, you know, someone decides to take the fun out of it. Inevitably, inevitably, someone decided to get too serious about it now. It's like that guy who suddenly decided that frisbee needed to be taken up a notch. Yeah,

Warwick Johnson 19:09

go go ramp that right up.

Ben Silverio 19:14

But yeah, there's there's a little bit of information about remote control cars for you.

Warwick Johnson 19:18

Nice. So my edutainment topic is going to be about the Manhattan Project which created the atomic bomb. The atomic bomb plays a big part in Judgment Day. Skynet nukes most of the planet and so I think they wipe out most of humanity as part of that. And we get some very cool and very cool nuclear explosions and a nuclear attack or a military official said that it was the most realistic nuclear explosion in any film about Terminator two. The effects of the bomb I guess was what what Stan Winston like watched hours and hours of nuclear test footage to try and mimic it. So it must it was it must have been very realistic. Now, of course, Oppenheimer by Christopher Nolan is coming out. And it had the I think it has the largest explosion in a film. So that is going to be very interesting to see. So they, they made a gigantic explosion for that movie. So we're very curious to see if that passes Terminator two. But speaking of Oppenheimer, he was a part of the Manhattan Project, which was the project that created the atomic bombs. And this started there were some scientists that were defectors from Germany that they were they were refugees, they fled Germany before the Nazis took power. And they had approached American officials and other American scientists, and they said, This is a very real thing that can happen. They are working on creating a nuclear fission device that they can use as a weapon. And so then the idea was that okay, well, if anyone's going to create this, America should do it first. That way, we're not, you know, at the mercy of this air behind it. And so they set this up, they arranged a conference between Enrico Fermi and of the Fermi lab, and the Navy Department in March of 1939. And then that summer, Einstein was persuaded by his fellow scientists to use his influence to present the military potential for the uncontrolled fission chain reaction to FDR. So in 19 $46,000, was made available to start research under the supervision of the committee 6000. I know $6,000 was made available. And most of that 6000 was used to purchase graphite for because graphite is used for anyone who watched Chernobyl to contain the radiation. And so that's primarily what they use. So that was the original experiments were the research for it, they invested $6,000 into it. But after the US entry into World War Two, the War Department was given joint responsibility for the project. So by mid 1942, there were they had started turning it out to all these different kinds of plants. Across America, there were a bunch of different places that were working on it. In June and 42, the Corps, the engineering corps of Manhattan District, was a sign management of the construction work building the facility, which is where it gets the name, the Manhattan Project, much of the early research was performed at the Columbia at Columbia University in New York. So that's why I became the codename for that. So then, a little bit of time goes by and they had worked on specifically, uranium 235 was the was what they were going to look at for the bomb. That's what they use to create fission. But it cannot be separated from its natural companion to much more abundant uranium 238, by chemical means. So that was the problem that they were working on that was this. So they developed an electromagnetic process at the University of California, Berkeley. And then here in Chicago, at the University of Chicago. They developed the, at a metallurgical laboratory, that they developed the other method for the production of fissionable material of plutonium 239, which was the other, the other radioactive isotope that they use for the atomic bombs. So that was in December of 42, Fermi successfully succeeded in producing and controlling a fission chain reaction here in Chicago. So that's a nice little connection to our to our hometown here. So it's your fault. So it's our fault. Really, it's, it's, it's all our faults, and then the aforementioned J. Robert Oppenheimer, Oppenheimer, J. Robert Oppenheimer was stationed at Los Alamos, and that was where they created the vehicle, the actual bomb itself that would detonate and create this explosion. So there were a lot of nuclear tests that were done out there in New Mexico. So there are still parts of the New Mexican desert that are irradiated to this day, which is very fun for people that live out there. And, in fact, one of the first one of the first successful tests I think, there's a very famous quote, where after they said, the quote was he quoted from the Gadda Vita where he was like I am become Death destroyer of worlds. And people were like, Oh, that's such like a badass line. And it's just like, No, it's the he was struggling with the weight of creating something that would kill so many people. Oppenheimer, I think is a really kind of tragic figure in that way. The same as the guy who created the Gatling gun. The man who created the Gatling gun killed himself, because he had created it, because his thought was, oh, you don't need as many people in war because one person can shoot this many bullets. So that's fewer people out there, not realizing that it just meant that you could kill a lot more people and that and so yeah, and so the sweet summer child a realization of the of his his career, his device to help save lives and more, which is gonna kill a lot more people. Anything, Oppenheimer kind of falls into that same category. Oppenheimer has a very kind of tragic figure because of that as well. Yeah, I am. I am to that everyone in Hollywood is in it. But I except for the people that are in the party. Right. There's the to the to the Jetson sharks of Hollywood right now is OB and Barbie.

Ben Silverio 26:22

CW is in the Barbie movie. So I have decided with Barbie. That's true.

Warwick Johnson 26:27

I am excited about him in that. So the last thing is the first atomic bomb explosion was July 16 1945. I didn't realize that this was that late, you know, because again, the the bombings at Hiroshima and Nagasaki were in the early fall of 1945. So the they had successfully tested it. And then the following month, they produce the two atomic bombs that were dropped in Japan. And many people credit that with ending the war with actually probably saving some lives. Because the thought is that a protracted invasion of Japan would have cost millions of lives on both sides. But I don't know it's I think that that's I think atomic weapons are so interesting in that sense, because it was such a, it was such a devastating thing. And the reason why Tokyo wasn't chosen as a bombing site is because one of the generals in charge, had his honeymoon there. And was like, I can't blow up Tokyo because my wife will never forgive me. Because he's attached to it. Yeah, isn't that I mean, that is one of those just weird things about history. And so they chose, I think, I think Nagasaki was always going to be on the list because it was a major production hub for the Japanese war machine. So I think that they chose Hiroshima then was like the third on the list. And so they just moved down from there. But yeah, so that is the horrible history of the atomic weapon. And I hope that there is never an atomic bomb that's used on anyone. Particularly not if it starts judgment day when the machines take over. Never again, machines. Yep, there's a lot of really, I think the history from like, particularly like there's so many things in World War Two, like the v2 rockets that eventually cause like allowed us to go to space. There's so many things like that these these, these big leaps that came out of this horrible time that so many with so much death. You know, the Atomic Age, the advancements in, you know, energy production, like, there was a time before Three Mile Island where the thought was that we'd have all these nuclear reactors, we wouldn't be so reliant on fossil fuels. And of course, that didn't happen. You know, but that was the thought then like you see it a lot in any 50s look into the future is the idea that everything was going to be atomic power, that atomic energy was the wave of the future. That would be amazing. I mean, I think we've made I think there were already some huge advancements made but even before last year, so yeah, in the past year, I think there we've seen a lot of positive progression towards like an actual fusion reactor.

Ben Silverio 29:31

I was gonna reference Spider Man Miles Morales because energy sustainable energy is a big part of that game was plot. But then I'm like, No, that's not real history. That's now that's what we're talking about right now. New Form is not a real thing, but I guess that's a good note to go out on right I hope. I hope you party people enjoyed our month long. Look at Terminator two Judgment Day. We We certainly enjoyed talking about it. Hopefully you could tell by these glorious episodes that we've given to your podcatcher Yeah,

Warwick Johnson 30:11

I mean, laughs Terminator two is a bit is a great film. And I always think that it's more fun to rag on bad films. However, it is good to be able to just be like, this is a really good time travel film that has strict rules of time travel, that it follows for the most part. And I think that that makes sense. I think Cameron pays a lot of attention to that stuff, and it makes it work well. So that's my two cents I don't know.

Ansel Burch 30:44

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Ben Silverio 31:03

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Ansel Burch 31:14

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Ben Silverio 31:42

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Warwick Johnson 31:44

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Warwick Johnson 31:57

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Ben Silverio 31:59

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